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here's gene Steinberg my neighbors first

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audiblepodcast.com/tekzilla I'm Jean

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Steinberg you're in the para cast we've

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got a few things to announce here that

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may be of interest of course this show

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is being heard at least if you hear it

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when it's actually broadcast or a few

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days thereafter before Christmas we've

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got a brand new official para cast door

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so we teamed up with different partners

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not that the old ones were bad but

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they've got better styles and better

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prices we have the mugs and the carrying

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cases and the mouse pads and all sorts

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of shirts and ten colors each lots of

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stuff the official power cash store at

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store the para cast dot-com store the

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power cast com we make minimal profits

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folks you know we're not looking to make

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a lot of money just kind of you know

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pare away so have a look at that because

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that's fascinating there's also know

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what you said to me for Christmas yeah

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okay you have to just tell me what size

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you wear and you pick out a shirt and I

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will make sure looks too large baby

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extra large extra extra large no extra

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large ok extra large it is okay so he

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gets one you know now folks if you want

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to get one well okay you have to pay for

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it you actually when you set up the

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store you tell them how much profit you

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want to make and I was dumb about this

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because I don't think that you know you

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should gouge your faithful listeners

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your faithful listeners you know so we

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know I got you it's just you know a

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couple three dollars so we also want

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people to be out there as walking

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billboards exactly get your hoodie get

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your hoodie on and you get the coffee

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mug - we have a great coffee mug a

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branded

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para cast coffee mug you take with you

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to work people gonna say hey what does

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that thing in the back where it says

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separating signal from noise what's that

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all about

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and you explained that you know it's

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kind of neat I knew my girlfriend don't

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get into that because this is a family

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radio show on a family station I don't

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know if you saw this or not all these

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UFO organizations are so insular they're

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unto themselves they have databases and

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everything and we heard from somebody on

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the other side of the world did you see

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this message from a guy who wants to

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work to kind of create a new UFO

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information database and kind of

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coordinate all this evidence did you

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catch that yeah I did and I think it's a

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great idea but good luck trying to crack

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the old MUFON egg let's see if they're

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willing to share their data this this

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would be a good litmus test for old

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Clifford Clift and the MUFON groups it

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would be fascinating if they can get him

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to do that yeah do you work exactly how

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do you expect one organization with a

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couple of thousand members to figure it

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all out now MUFON has been around since

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the 1960s okay and they haven't solved

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it yet it doesn't mean there have been a

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failure it may be one of those

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situations that we kind of accept that

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it's not easy to solve these mysteries

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don't you want some help you don't have

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all the money in the world yeah you had

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that deal with Robert Bigelow and he

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seemed to have put lots of terms and

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conditions on it but it would seem to me

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to make an awful lot of sense to want to

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have a situation where you can share the

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information this is not proprietary

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you're not Apple and Samsung engage in

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lawsuits because Apple thinks that

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Samsung stole the look and feel of the

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iPhone or the iPad you know it's that

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exclusivity in the UFO field makes no

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sense you got to share this information

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yeah I absolutely agree I think it would

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be a major step forward then we could

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get some real smart young up-and-coming

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computer experts and younger generation

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to start crunching some numbers garbage

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in garbage out but yeah but then you

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have to separate the garbage you have to

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have a you know a great basket category

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right now another development that maybe

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you haven't heard of and I'll tell you

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this for the first time because I want

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to get a spontaneous reaction this has

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been going on I've had some private

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conversations with one of our regular

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posters in the forums

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I've known for a while he has a

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paranormal blog and he works like a

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regular person with a regular day job

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and a regular family and he says to me

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you know he misses a consumer watchdog

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site for UFOs

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they used to be UFO watchdog calm which

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is Royce Meier site we had control of it

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for about a year we updated the content

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and everything but the agreement we made

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with Royce was okay if he ever wants it

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back he can have it you know we're not

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taking it we're just going to be the

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caretakers so one day he writes back

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about a year ago and he says I want it

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back

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so we gave him all the information we

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had the original site plus a brand new

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version in what they call a content

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management program where everything is

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in a database so you create one look and

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feel everything is in a database for

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easier handling it's called a few people

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leaving care it's called Joomla that's

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the name of the program and I thought it

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was looking real nice when he brought it

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back none of the new material was

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incorporated he went back to the old

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site and the old style so this

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particular forum poster said you know

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maybe we should try to take it over

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again but that's not in the cards maybe

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start a new organization or site as a

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Better Business Bureau for paranormal

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research tell me it's a crazy idea I

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think that's a great idea be certified

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we call it PPP preferred pair of cast no

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we have to work on that acronym instead

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of BBB it would be the PPP right well

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you know say that three times fast

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backwards it's like the guy I was

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talking to the other week who wanted to

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play my voice backwards but seriously

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the problem with something like this is

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number one we would need people who were

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willing to volunteer to actually do the

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heavy liftings is not something that you

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know we have time to necessarily do it

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would take somebody who or a team of

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people willing to do the hard research

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to look at the material say okay we've

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got all this stuff ready to go let's

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start posting this stuff and in terms of

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the styling and everything you know I

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think we have an existing style

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structure we did when we had our version

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of UFO watchdog that we could bring into

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research getting the documentation but

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also which I guess is unfortunate Chris

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we probably have to have a volunteer

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lawyer on hand I think that's that's

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almost a given Jane one thing that I

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just thought of along these lines is

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have have a rating system for for

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investigators and and especially people

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that publish and publish books publish

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articles have let's say a blog or some

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sort of database maybe rate their

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efforts have some sort of standardized

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form that would give us the ability to

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accurately rate their efforts stuff one

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to ten ten being the very best one being

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don't believe this there's nothing to

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see here and move along like a Better

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Business Bureau where they rate

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businesses based on performance and and

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and have a clearinghouse for people to

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have an option of where to go with their

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particular case whether it be a siding

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case some sort of crypto case possibly

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an abduction claim and that sort of

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thing and then rate the people who are

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willing to actually do the work in the

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field and go out and and then publish

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the results of their investigation I

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that would be another thing too that

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would make it unique no one's ever tried

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to do that with the fill-in brog knows

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out there the bill nails the michael

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horns and other people that some people

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have problems with their style and and

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the results of their shenanigans in the

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case of Sean David Morton and others

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this would be a really good way for

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people to have a place to go a one-stop

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shop to look and see what these people

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are up to and what kind of track record

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they have and what kind of rating that

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they've been able to garner for

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themselves and their efforts right and

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we have to make it as independent as

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possible but once again the key is that

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we're gonna have to have a lawyer come

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on over and say you know what I'll be

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happy to help you out and defend you who

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knows Peter Gertz that would be great

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but I won't feed rate very high but

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isn't here Gerson right now he was in

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the Hall of Shame in the original UFO

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watchdog and isn't he gonna be

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committing suicide or something next

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year

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no he's going to be taking the great

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leap into the beyond on December 12th

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you know 2012 he's gonna be on top of

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Bell Rock here in Sedona and he's going

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to jump off and hopefully he'll and

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somehow go through some portal or

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transcend himself into something other

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than lots of little pieces that need to

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be scraped up off the rocks with plastic

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spoons and Ziploc bags I sure as heck

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hope though that he doesn't hurt himself

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speaking of someone who is just an

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interesting character all around we have

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the return today of my old friend Tim

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Beckley and Tim back leaves knows mr.

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UFO by the way and he's gonna bring with

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him a woman named Claudia Cunningham who

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we refer to as the MIB lady are you

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ready for this Chris I'm not sure gene

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okay Tim Beckley the MIB lady and lots

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welcome to our two special guests hi how

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are you hey gene good to hear from you

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again him that had a chat in awhile

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that's right you don't know I haven't

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talked offline for a long time but

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because our guest our extra guest can

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only stay for a short period of time

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tell us him about Claudia Cunningham and

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her impact to the world of the

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paranormal okay well you know Claudia

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came to me actually the letter she wrote

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me I guess is going back to Claudia what

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about three years ago now yeah a very

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interesting letter now I get a lot of

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communications and some of them are very

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long-winded and some of them don't

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interest me but of course one of my big

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concerns and fascinations in the UFO

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field of the year gene as you probably

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know has been the men in black in fact I

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had my own encounter sorts of course

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with amid going back to the mid-1960s

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and I've written two books on the

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subject the curse of the men in black

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and the UFOs silencers so Claudia had

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written a letter very interesting letter

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about events that had taken place in a

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cemetery in upstate New York where

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believe it or not Charles fort is buried

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and it included several episodes of

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midnight sightings so I was fascinated

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by it by her experiences as she told

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other related of my other people you

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know and she's kind of collected these

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over the years so I got in touch with

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her and that we form kind of a bond in

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fact to Claudia and I together with my

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friend penny who is a psychic we visited

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the gravesite of charles fort just about

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a month ago

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it's the albany rural cemetery I believe

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it's called and there's some very

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strange things that are going on there

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which Claudia will be able to show us

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all in on Claudia how did you get

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involved in this crazy world well you

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know ever since I was a little kid I've

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been afraid of the dark

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and like most kids are but I always took

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it a step further by the time I was 10 I

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was reading a comic book maybe Tim could

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give me the name of it it was a very

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well-known anyway it was very scary it's

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kind of a classic now about zombies and

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werewolves and all this stuff anyway

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like that problem yeah it's something

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like that and I've always had an

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interest in knowing why are we here

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where did we come from where we're going

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and my travels have taken me into a lot

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of conversations with some interesting

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people who have had paranormal

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encounters including my own family and

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including myself as I got a little bit

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older but what really got me involved

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with Kim was a friend of mine who was a

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registered nurse at a local hospital

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called me one day about three years ago

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and she knew of my interest in all

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things arcane and the unknown and so

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forth she said you know I had a

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frightening experience at this Cemetery

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you know it's og you know I'd like to

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hear about it she lives across the

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street from albany rural cemetery and it

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was a very nice spring day i started to

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take the ride in there and kind of go on

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a historical tour of the place it's

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quite large it's on a big hill some of

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the older graves go back to the early

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1600s with the Indians and the early

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Dutch settlers of the region and we have

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a president Chester Arthur who's buried

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there we have congressmen we have

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Secretary of the Navy under Roosevelt a

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lot of famous people as well as everyday

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people so Linda decided you know I'm

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going to take a ride in there and which

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is not too crazy because a lot of people

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go in there and have picnics they jog

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they walk their dogs very critical of

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the areas and she told me she pulled in

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the big iron gate and on the left

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there's a very gothic looking building

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that's the office and that contains all

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of the information of anyone who was

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buried there thousands and thousands of

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documents and that in itself it looks

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like the Munsters house it's really very

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scary looking and across the street from

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there is the crematorium and it's a

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black macadam drive as you pull in and

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Linda decided to take a left up one of

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these little tiny roads gravelly Road

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and she noticed that no one was there

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that day she got to the top of the hill

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pulled in a little further it was a type

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of the day where if you heard anyone

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coming in back of you or in any

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direction you would hear

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because of the gravel and it was just

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definitely silent so she got her what

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this down and she pulled over and she

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said she kind of looked down to take the

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keys out of the ignition and what does

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that take a second two seconds and she

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says when I looked up here was this

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mammoth big black military looking SUV

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there was so close

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it would listen back of her actually and

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she looked in her view mirror and she

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saw this thing was so close that was

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like in the backseat it could have been

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in the backseat so she thought Oh My

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heavens are gonna be robbed or something

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but if the thing didn't look right it

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had all completely black windows and it

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was a game when there was a lot of

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milkweed in the air which is kind of

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common to upstate New York at a certain

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time of the year and it's very annoying

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it'll cover the cars and kinda have to

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kind of put your windshield wipers on

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you know get it off your car but this

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thing had no weeds on it at all

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nothing was sticking to it and she said

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it looked like a brand new vehicle that

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it you know they just rolled out of the

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showroom anyway she said well she said

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I'm gonna to herself I'm gonna pull up

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and let's see if this thing follows me

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so she did and it kind of backed up it

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didn't follow her but it backed up and

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she's watching this thing and it kind of

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turned to the right from where she was

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which was I don't know how many feet up

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but it looked like this thing was going

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down one of the little side hills in the

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cemetery and she watched it until the

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top of this thing disappeared it was

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gone so she said I got kind of mad

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because somebody was trying to you know

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terrorize her so she said they turned

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around and I was gonna follow this thing

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and she said only when I got there there

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was no road and there was a chain-link

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fence and she said the only thing beyond

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the fence itself were graves me I would

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have died right there on the spot we

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don't see that road - yeah yeah that's

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right

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I had Tim their door yeah absolutely

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change nothing near so Linda said I went

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down the way I came in and there was the

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SUV parked right in front of the office

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right smack in the middle of the road

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and she said I had the feeling it was

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waiting for me and I never had a feeling

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like that and right next

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to the driver's side took a student man

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all in black slim very slim the black

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had the black wraparound sunglasses

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black black black and well as she drove

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by he kind of looked at her kind of

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nodded really creepy and she said I just

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jammed that ignition and she said when I

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went by am I kind of looked in the

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mirror and he was gone within one second

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he said that I mean the one this man was

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gone so she got out of there and that's

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when she called me and I was so excited

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because I had read about men and black I

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have Kim's classic book on it or he

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actually showed the picture I think the

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only picture in captivity right Kim was

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the man in black well maybe maybe there

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might there might be one other but

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that's this is the one that the class

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has the most publicity yeah hmm right so

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I got under on the internet and I did a

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search and I just typed in in albany

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rural cemetery haunted actually good

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well that'll take me someplace if it's

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haunted I you know I had never heard

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anything about that cemetery having any

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problems at all but to my astonishment

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Beckley mr. UFO joining us Claudia

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Cunningham in the middle of a

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fascinating story please continue okay

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well according to what I read on the

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internet since German and black black

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disappearing vehicles a couple who held

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hands and actually float over the

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tombstones at dusk a bigger black dog in

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epigenesis

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yes let's not forget that a big black

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dog black orbs something resembling a

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black cloud and a lot of just strange

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feelings in certain areas people have a

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feeling in certain areas there that

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you're being looked at by something

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unseen so I have all the story to a lot

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of my friends interested in the subject

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and one is my my niece who is acquainted

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with one of the caretakers at the

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cemetery and he said I have heard a

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million stories from people with the

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disappearing cars and everything but he

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himself has never seen anything he said

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so there's certain places in that

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cemetery where he he feels extremely

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creepy and he will not go as the story

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continues I grabbed a book not long ago

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of local hauntings in the area and the

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cemetery was in there and it said people

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have reported seeing a funeral cortege

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going around this rather large pond near

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Charles Ford's grave by the way well yes

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yep and it's followed by people in a

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black mourning clothes of an earlier era

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so I think that's pretty cool but when

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you when you approach them they

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disappear they just vanish

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so I just wanted to tell you about three

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months after this incident I was with my

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mother shopping one day and you know I

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wasn't really thinking of the subject

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but it kinda came back to haunt me back

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a I was over at a local strip mall also

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the Del Mar shopping center and I had to

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run in to the dollar store for a second

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I had my mother in the back seat my dog

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that's the community in the front and I

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had the windows down so it was in the

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summer and it was a big black SUV next

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to me on the right and I kind of kidded

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to my mother I said okay maybe that's

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one of those guys that were in the salon

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she kind of chuckled so I ran into a

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friend of mine from high school we had a

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little chat and I went in and got my my

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purchase and came back out and I was

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about to pull out and all of a sudden

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from in back of this SUV came this

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little old man and I would say little

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I'd say maybe it was five feet tall

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maybe just a little bit under he looked

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to be about 50 and he had a black hat

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the black sunglasses the three-quarter

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length black shirt with creases in the

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slave they look brand-new and he kind of

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stuck his head in the window and I'm

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telling you I'm not a nervous type but

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when I saw that that was that was

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unbelievable and he he walked into the

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right outside of the dollar store and he

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just kind of stopped and he looked at me

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and he kind of put his glasses down so I

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could kind of see to his eyes he just

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kind of nodded like and I you know I had

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00:30:45,090 --> 00:30:42,730
the feeling that he was saying well you

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wanted to see one of this Here I am well

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00:30:49,620 --> 00:30:47,950
you know it's a very strange place I

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mean if cemetery is huge

738
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and you know of course the Charles Ford

739
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:53,679
there was a collector of all this

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00:30:57,779 --> 00:30:55,210
oddities and I guess he's still

741
00:31:00,750 --> 00:30:57,789
continuing to to look on and watch the

742
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:00,760
strange goings-on in the cemetery and a

743
00:31:05,250 --> 00:31:02,530
lot of the activity is pretty in the air

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00:31:08,370 --> 00:31:05,260
of the family at tombstone

745
00:31:10,590 --> 00:31:08,380
it's a actually the entire family is is

746
00:31:14,220 --> 00:31:10,600
buried there there are nine grave sites

747
00:31:16,799 --> 00:31:14,230
with the fort as a last name so it's

748
00:31:19,529 --> 00:31:16,809
it's interesting that this would all be

749
00:31:22,279 --> 00:31:19,539
occurring within you know a small radius

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00:31:24,150 --> 00:31:22,289
of where the master himself is buried

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00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:24,160
okay

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00:31:31,529 --> 00:31:27,850
well again according to different books

753
00:31:34,110 --> 00:31:31,539
that I've read local folklore and also

754
00:31:37,260 --> 00:31:34,120
through the internet that cemetery is

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00:31:42,210 --> 00:31:37,270
haunted by disappearing black vehicles

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00:31:45,180 --> 00:31:42,220
of all kinds black men in sinister

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00:31:49,350 --> 00:31:45,190
looking men in black a black dog black

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00:31:51,750 --> 00:31:49,360
orbs a black cloud a couple who hold

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00:31:54,860 --> 00:31:51,760
hands and float over the tombstones at

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00:31:58,880 --> 00:31:54,870
dusk in their pajamas of all things and

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00:32:02,730 --> 00:31:58,890
a funeral procession that goes around

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00:32:05,430 --> 00:32:02,740
this lake inside the cemetery and their

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00:32:09,779 --> 00:32:05,440
older black cars and they circle around

764
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:09,789
followed by older looking maybe people

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00:32:15,510 --> 00:32:12,010
from like the 1800s and black mourning

766
00:32:19,039 --> 00:32:15,520
clothes and when you approach them they

767
00:32:23,060 --> 00:32:19,049
they dissipate they vanish into thin air

768
00:32:27,060 --> 00:32:26,039
that's what's clear after dusk okay this

769
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:27,070
is something you read about right

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00:32:34,799 --> 00:32:31,210
Claudia yes okay now forgetting what you

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00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:34,809
read we want to look at what you've

772
00:32:41,909 --> 00:32:38,530
experienced personally okay well I've

773
00:32:43,830 --> 00:32:41,919
had a lifetime of strange things you

774
00:32:44,850 --> 00:32:43,840
want me to tell you a few things hello

775
00:32:47,930 --> 00:32:44,860
since we're looking at that particular

776
00:32:50,730 --> 00:32:47,940
area in and around the burial place of

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00:32:55,380 --> 00:32:50,740
charles fort and also because Tim was

778
00:32:57,270 --> 00:32:55,390
referring to you as the MIB lady are you

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00:33:02,340 --> 00:32:57,280
someone who has received lots of phone

780
00:33:07,710 --> 00:33:02,350
calls or warnings from strange people no

781
00:33:09,810 --> 00:33:07,720
nothing like that but I did have in 1973

782
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:09,820
and I think it was then because I I just

783
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:12,490
got my brand-new Mustang convertible I

784
00:33:16,529 --> 00:33:14,890
was in that cemetery with my niece and

785
00:33:20,610 --> 00:33:16,539
my sister-in-law and we stopped at a

786
00:33:24,870 --> 00:33:20,620
crypt in there and it was the crypt of

787
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:24,880
early mayor of Albany by the name of

788
00:33:29,580 --> 00:33:27,730
John Boyd Thatcher and I decided to look

789
00:33:32,100 --> 00:33:29,590
in and kind of see what was in there

790
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:32,110
and when I got about three feet from it

791
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:35,890
we heard this big metallic bang coming

792
00:33:40,140 --> 00:33:37,930
from inside that

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00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:40,150
that's the only thing that I've ever had

794
00:33:45,030 --> 00:33:41,170
happened to me

795
00:33:47,340 --> 00:33:45,040
but I think well he calls me there might

796
00:33:50,630 --> 00:33:47,350
be lady because of my story you know and

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00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:50,640
also because of that happening at the

798
00:33:55,740 --> 00:33:54,370
Del Mar Plaza and it was if you had seen

799
00:33:58,830 --> 00:33:55,750
this man I think he would have

800
00:34:02,370 --> 00:33:58,840
questioned like I did but said oh you

801
00:34:04,860 --> 00:34:02,380
know somebody if he didn't look right if

802
00:34:07,260 --> 00:34:04,870
that sounds like you

803
00:34:13,770 --> 00:34:07,270
he didn't he they say that about me

804
00:34:17,970 --> 00:34:13,780
quite often go ahead please okay no I

805
00:34:19,020 --> 00:34:17,980
mean I've always had you know I don't

806
00:34:20,850 --> 00:34:19,030
know if you want to call them I think

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00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:20,860
everybody has where you'd walk in the

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house and you put your keys on the table

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00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:24,399
and you come back and they're gone and

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you might find them five days later and

811
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the refrigerator I mean everything like

812
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that I mean I think that happens to just

813
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about everybody sure but I don't know

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that maybe you forgot where you put it

815
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you absent-mindedly was checking the

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refrigerator oh wait a minute I need a

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new container of milk and in the rush

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you'd drop the keys there well maybe on

819
00:34:49,950 --> 00:34:47,860
that gene I couldn't verify that well

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tell me more you verify it tell me more

821
00:34:55,590 --> 00:34:53,470
well you know years ago a gene you know

822
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muscle researchers in this field and and

823
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there most of them are sincere as far as

824
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I'm concerned you know they'll go out

825
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and they're very anxious to interview

826
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:03,610
someone who's at a UFO sighting low

827
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level signing particularly like pilots

828
00:35:12,240 --> 00:35:10,660
and astronomers and astronauts you know

829
00:35:14,220 --> 00:35:12,250
people with credibility and that's all

830
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well and good but there's very little

831
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follow up with these witnesses and one

832
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thing that I've done over the years is

833
00:35:23,820 --> 00:35:21,460
try to maintain a relationship with some

834
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:23,830
of these people to find out if something

835
00:35:29,580 --> 00:35:25,930
happened after their initial encounter

836
00:35:33,060 --> 00:35:29,590
and what I found over and over and over

837
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again was once these individuals had a

838
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close encounter or had a sighting that

839
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in a lot of episodes their life was

840
00:35:47,610 --> 00:35:44,680
overcome with additional paranormal

841
00:35:49,110 --> 00:35:47,620
experiences it sensitizes them right Tim

842
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I beg pardon

843
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it sensitizes them

844
00:35:55,030 --> 00:35:53,130
I'm not sure what it does it grabs hold

845
00:35:57,890 --> 00:35:55,040
of them in some cases it actually

846
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possesses them in fact there there's a

847
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case that I described in my book a round

848
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trip to hell in a flying saucer where an

849
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entire town in Brazil was presented s by

850
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some sort of UFO entity there was a

851
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sighting and around the High Noon in

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fact a series of photographs are even

853
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taken over the coast of this particular

854
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city in Brazil and several people five

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or six people in that town picked up a

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automatic writing and what they received

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through this automatic writing which is

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podcast we have Tim Beck Lee mr. UFO

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Claudia Cunningham the MIB lady

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everybody's got names and we got gene

957
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and Chris and we have no special names

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except Chris we sometimes refer to as a

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trickster you're in the middle of a

960
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story Tim would you proceed yes anyway

961
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:26,760
this this town in Brazil was one day

962
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:29,370
possessed by a UFO

963
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:33,330
the possess appeared at noon and and

964
00:41:36,830 --> 00:41:35,370
five or six people in this town totally

965
00:41:39,170 --> 00:41:36,840
unrelated to each other didn't know what

966
00:41:41,690 --> 00:41:39,180
the other person was doing picked up pen

967
00:41:43,490 --> 00:41:41,700
and paper and started writing and they

968
00:41:46,990 --> 00:41:43,500
reseed basically the same message it was

969
00:41:49,310 --> 00:41:47,000
a warning about a Holocaust to come and

970
00:41:50,930 --> 00:41:49,320
some of these people were just they were

971
00:41:52,670 --> 00:41:50,940
not the same after that and we found

972
00:41:54,410 --> 00:41:52,680
time after time well let's take for

973
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:54,420
example Kenneth Arnold and this is

974
00:41:58,130 --> 00:41:56,370
something that I'm sure is not known by

975
00:42:00,020 --> 00:41:58,140
the majority of people but I've read

976
00:42:01,700 --> 00:42:00,030
interviews with him in the local

977
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:01,710
newspaper he used to live in Iowa

978
00:42:06,410 --> 00:42:04,170
remember he even was running for vice

979
00:42:09,290 --> 00:42:06,420
president with a heissen tower back in

980
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:09,300
the no no I remember lieutenant governor

981
00:42:13,930 --> 00:42:11,010
of the state of Iowa okay but he was

982
00:42:17,180 --> 00:42:13,940
gonna run with Eisenhower I believe

983
00:42:19,130 --> 00:42:17,190
before Nixon got aboard anyway he was

984
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:19,140
involved in local politics and he was

985
00:42:22,850 --> 00:42:21,090
the I guess he coined pretty much the

986
00:42:23,630 --> 00:42:22,860
term flying the saucer although that's

987
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:23,640
debatable

988
00:42:28,250 --> 00:42:26,490
anyway Arnold had an interest in UFOs

989
00:42:30,620 --> 00:42:28,260
because of his own sighting and he had

990
00:42:32,300 --> 00:42:30,630
investigated numerous cases but he found

991
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:32,310
as he got deeper and deeper into the

992
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:34,890
mystery a UFO mystery the thing started

993
00:42:39,710 --> 00:42:36,810
turning around him that were of a very

994
00:42:41,900 --> 00:42:39,720
spooky nature he told of seeing entities

995
00:42:44,270 --> 00:42:41,910
angelic winged typings

996
00:42:46,490 --> 00:42:44,280
seated in the trees outside of his home

997
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:46,500
and there was one particular incident

998
00:42:52,340 --> 00:42:49,130
where he actually saw his rocking chair

999
00:42:55,970 --> 00:42:52,350
moving back in the forth of some

1000
00:42:58,820 --> 00:42:55,980
invisible entity were seated in it now

1001
00:43:00,470 --> 00:42:58,830
this is happened time and time again

1002
00:43:02,420 --> 00:43:00,480
where people that have had these

1003
00:43:04,430 --> 00:43:02,430
sightings very a lot of very normal life

1004
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:04,440
they find themselves actually being

1005
00:43:09,980 --> 00:43:08,330
pulled into this phantasmagorical

1006
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:09,990
situation and

1007
00:43:15,500 --> 00:43:12,210
I call this the darker side of ufology

1008
00:43:17,210 --> 00:43:15,510
now there are a lot of people who only

1009
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:17,220
see this in a positive vein but there

1010
00:43:20,630 --> 00:43:18,090
are a lot of things that have happened

1011
00:43:22,970 --> 00:43:20,640
here that can be construed as being very

1012
00:43:26,090 --> 00:43:22,980
negative and that's what I've kind of

1013
00:43:26,750 --> 00:43:26,100
become interested in in the last a few

1014
00:43:29,510 --> 00:43:26,760
years

1015
00:43:32,150 --> 00:43:29,520
because it isn't all sweetness and light

1016
00:43:34,730 --> 00:43:32,160
out in the galaxy well you know I could

1017
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:34,740
know I want to comment on that I do feel

1018
00:43:39,590 --> 00:43:36,570
it's very important for field

1019
00:43:43,100 --> 00:43:39,600
investigators to maintain cordial but

1020
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:43,110
you know fairly loose but maintain

1021
00:43:48,170 --> 00:43:46,170
relationships with individuals that have

1022
00:43:49,460 --> 00:43:48,180
had on experiences of the unusual

1023
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:49,470
especially close encounter type

1024
00:43:56,270 --> 00:43:54,210
experiences I think the experience is

1025
00:43:57,680 --> 00:43:56,280
not what should be the focus of

1026
00:43:59,780 --> 00:43:57,690
investigations I think it's the people

1027
00:44:01,190 --> 00:43:59,790
that have these experiences that are the

1028
00:44:04,310 --> 00:44:01,200
the important thing that should be

1029
00:44:05,990 --> 00:44:04,320
focused on and this is not something

1030
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:06,000
that you see in the move on manual let's

1031
00:44:11,740 --> 00:44:09,690
let's say and and I think Tim brings up

1032
00:44:15,170 --> 00:44:11,750
a very good point that once you've had

1033
00:44:17,450 --> 00:44:15,180
you know an extraordinary experience it

1034
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:17,460
does seem to raise the likelihood or the

1035
00:44:22,310 --> 00:44:19,170
odds are that you're going to have

1036
00:44:25,130 --> 00:44:22,320
additional ones now I don't particularly

1037
00:44:29,810 --> 00:44:25,140
think that you become a magnet for this

1038
00:44:32,270 --> 00:44:29,820
type of activity I don't I I disagree

1039
00:44:33,620 --> 00:44:32,280
with you is someone on that Tim but it

1040
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:33,630
does make you more aware of your

1041
00:44:38,720 --> 00:44:36,210
surroundings and you tend to be you tend

1042
00:44:40,340 --> 00:44:38,730
to be a lot more observant and sensitive

1043
00:44:42,950 --> 00:44:40,350
to things that are going on around you

1044
00:44:46,940 --> 00:44:42,960
and and I think people once they've had

1045
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:46,950
an experience they tend to pick up on

1046
00:44:50,660 --> 00:44:48,930
things and don't discount them like most

1047
00:44:52,849 --> 00:44:50,670
people do who haven't had an experience

1048
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:52,859
you know I don't know Christmas if I

1049
00:45:00,530 --> 00:44:55,410
would agree with you on that for example

1050
00:45:02,900 --> 00:45:00,540
there was a family lived near Somerset

1051
00:45:04,790 --> 00:45:02,910
then New Jersey and they had had a

1052
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:04,800
sighting of a UFO on the way home one

1053
00:45:08,990 --> 00:45:06,690
night this thing was hovering and

1054
00:45:11,720 --> 00:45:09,000
illuminating a billboard you know an

1055
00:45:13,550 --> 00:45:11,730
advertisement on the on the highway now

1056
00:45:16,130 --> 00:45:13,560
if that isn't the free publicity I don't

1057
00:45:18,859 --> 00:45:16,140
know what is right but anyway they went

1058
00:45:20,750 --> 00:45:18,869
home and like a day or so later all

1059
00:45:23,240 --> 00:45:20,760
sorts of weird things started happening

1060
00:45:23,780 --> 00:45:23,250
that had never happened to them before

1061
00:45:28,340 --> 00:45:23,790
now

1062
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:28,350
with the paranormal or Demonica

1063
00:45:31,130 --> 00:45:29,970
phenomenon I don't think this is

1064
00:45:32,210 --> 00:45:31,140
something that goes to the average

1065
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:32,220
person's mind

1066
00:45:36,650 --> 00:45:34,290
so it's not certainly if they hadn't

1067
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:36,660
read any literature on the subject and

1068
00:45:41,990 --> 00:45:39,090
it wasn't very much published of a kind

1069
00:45:43,090 --> 00:45:42,000
of a negative bent back you know five or

1070
00:45:45,950 --> 00:45:43,100
ten years ago

1071
00:45:48,290 --> 00:45:45,960
even so weird things started happening

1072
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:48,300
around them they started hearing voices

1073
00:45:52,010 --> 00:45:50,490
in the basement as if somebody was

1074
00:45:54,940 --> 00:45:52,020
talking from a you know under the

1075
00:45:57,860 --> 00:45:54,950
basement floor and it was concrete okay

1076
00:46:01,580 --> 00:45:57,870
there was an incident where this

1077
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:01,590
individual lost a wedding ring and it

1078
00:46:06,590 --> 00:46:03,810
just vanished and they found it a couple

1079
00:46:07,310 --> 00:46:06,600
of days later it was in the breadbox now

1080
00:46:10,060 --> 00:46:07,320
come on

1081
00:46:13,970 --> 00:46:10,070
things like this are just you know this

1082
00:46:16,220 --> 00:46:13,980
well taken Tim yeah I agree there are

1083
00:46:18,950 --> 00:46:16,230
exceptions Tim Edwards who was the one

1084
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:18,960
that filmed the famous salida six

1085
00:46:23,090 --> 00:46:20,970
minutes of daylight footage back in 95

1086
00:46:25,580 --> 00:46:23,100
would be an example of a case where he

1087
00:46:28,580 --> 00:46:25,590
did seem to turn into some sort of

1088
00:46:31,010 --> 00:46:28,590
magnet and he had all kinds of of events

1089
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:31,020
that he was able to film some and

1090
00:46:35,780 --> 00:46:33,090
photograph and in it definitely his life

1091
00:46:39,350 --> 00:46:35,790
was changed but I think he's he's the

1092
00:46:41,150 --> 00:46:39,360
exception to the rule for all the the

1093
00:46:43,370 --> 00:46:41,160
people that you can bring up and I can

1094
00:46:45,260 --> 00:46:43,380
bring up out of mind my case logs in my

1095
00:46:47,510 --> 00:46:45,270
database for the people that we can

1096
00:46:49,970 --> 00:46:47,520
bring up that have had repeat type

1097
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:49,980
experiences there's many many more that

1098
00:46:54,170 --> 00:46:52,050
haven't that they experience a

1099
00:46:56,420 --> 00:46:54,180
standalone type experience that may or

1100
00:46:58,130 --> 00:46:56,430
may not have changed their thinking how

1101
00:47:00,560 --> 00:46:58,140
many people have actually gone back in

1102
00:47:02,270 --> 00:47:00,570
and you mentioned these people that

1103
00:47:03,770 --> 00:47:02,280
didn't have these experiences how do we

1104
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:03,780
know that I mean have we gone back or

1105
00:47:08,750 --> 00:47:05,970
has somebody gone back in and spoken

1106
00:47:10,940 --> 00:47:08,760
with them well I can only speak for my

1107
00:47:13,730 --> 00:47:10,950
work I can only speak for my work and I

1108
00:47:16,580 --> 00:47:13,740
and I do attempt to to check back

1109
00:47:18,290 --> 00:47:16,590
periodically with witnesses especially

1110
00:47:22,220 --> 00:47:18,300
when I was living in the San Luis Valley

1111
00:47:22,550 --> 00:47:22,230
I made it a point so strange to begin

1112
00:47:29,230 --> 00:47:22,560
with

1113
00:47:32,540 --> 00:47:29,240
it starts out by being Paris well I

1114
00:47:34,220 --> 00:47:32,550
don't know how to respond to that but my

1115
00:47:36,620 --> 00:47:34,230
point is that I don't think we have

1116
00:47:38,630 --> 00:47:36,630
enough quality follow-up

1117
00:47:40,460 --> 00:47:38,640
work being done out there and I agree

1118
00:47:43,190 --> 00:47:40,470
that there is a very good possibility

1119
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:43,200
and even possibly a likelihood that

1120
00:47:49,100 --> 00:47:46,530
people are experiencing a higher you

1121
00:47:50,810 --> 00:47:49,110
know elevated level of these unusual

1122
00:47:53,030 --> 00:47:50,820
experiences after they have been exposed

1123
00:47:55,100 --> 00:47:53,040
to it but until we do the kind of

1124
00:47:56,660 --> 00:47:55,110
follow-up work that we need we can't

1125
00:47:59,450 --> 00:47:56,670
really just have a knee-jerk reaction

1126
00:48:01,700 --> 00:47:59,460
and say oh well this this is obviously

1127
00:48:03,290 --> 00:48:01,710
what's going on people are having more

1128
00:48:05,870 --> 00:48:03,300
experiences once they've opened that

1129
00:48:08,240 --> 00:48:05,880
door and that door opens I think we're

1130
00:48:11,180 --> 00:48:08,250
here speaking with each other and I

1131
00:48:14,330 --> 00:48:11,190
think we tend to lump all UFO sightings

1132
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:14,340
and all UFO phenomena as one thing and

1133
00:48:20,240 --> 00:48:17,130
of course you can't really do that so in

1134
00:48:22,220 --> 00:48:20,250
in fact there is no way to separate the

1135
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:22,230
different types of experiences here

1136
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:24,090
that's one of the things that's that's

1137
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:26,130
happening so you can't really make a

1138
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:29,130
blanket statement about almost anything

1139
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:32,970
because exactly exactly at the minute

1140
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:35,130
that anyone says to me that they have

1141
00:48:40,490 --> 00:48:37,410
all the answers or they are the only

1142
00:48:43,460 --> 00:48:40,500
ones privileged to you know to maintain

1143
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:43,470
contact I walk out of the room I mean I

1144
00:48:47,900 --> 00:48:45,810
just it's so much nonsense for anybody

1145
00:48:50,750 --> 00:48:47,910
to say that that it's it's almost

1146
00:48:53,390 --> 00:48:50,760
insulting yeah well I mean I you know I

1147
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:53,400
I also find it very a little bit

1148
00:48:57,770 --> 00:48:55,530
difficult to be around when people

1149
00:49:01,070 --> 00:48:57,780
totally go off the the deep end with

1150
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:01,080
this stuff and you know I've had a case

1151
00:49:05,300 --> 00:49:03,690
for instance where a guy did have a

1152
00:49:07,010 --> 00:49:05,310
legitimate what I feel was a legitimate

1153
00:49:10,430 --> 00:49:07,020
experience and then for the next three

1154
00:49:15,500 --> 00:49:10,440
years he every single you know movement

1155
00:49:17,180 --> 00:49:15,510
in the trees every strange light landing

1156
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:17,190
lights or something that would appear I

1157
00:49:21,770 --> 00:49:19,890
mean he was on the phone with me just

1158
00:49:23,810 --> 00:49:21,780
bending my ear about all this stuff and

1159
00:49:27,170 --> 00:49:23,820
upon further investigation I was able to

1160
00:49:29,750 --> 00:49:27,180
debunk most if not all of these of these

1161
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:29,760
claims and waste a lot of time so people

1162
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:32,850
do go off the deep end and in feel that

1163
00:49:36,350 --> 00:49:34,050
every little thing that happens

1164
00:49:38,270 --> 00:49:36,360
regardless of how strange or high

1165
00:49:39,980 --> 00:49:38,280
strange it is they just go off the deep

1166
00:49:42,170 --> 00:49:39,990
end and everything is is they become

1167
00:49:44,690 --> 00:49:42,180
obsessed and so you do have that the

1168
00:49:47,030 --> 00:49:44,700
psychological element of people becoming

1169
00:49:48,950 --> 00:49:47,040
special destiny people in their own mind

1170
00:49:50,450 --> 00:49:48,960
and and every little thing that happens

1171
00:49:53,300 --> 00:49:50,460
just only is you know mind

1172
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:53,310
into them so you know the human mind is

1173
00:49:58,310 --> 00:49:55,770
you know is a weird and wonderful thing

1174
00:50:00,440 --> 00:49:58,320
and Chris it sounds like it sensitizes

1175
00:50:02,720 --> 00:50:00,450
you to paranoia especially if the

1176
00:50:04,910 --> 00:50:02,730
experience was frightening suddenly you

1177
00:50:06,890 --> 00:50:04,920
look askance at everything but certain

1178
00:50:08,780 --> 00:50:06,900
personality types sure will respond that

1179
00:50:11,570 --> 00:50:08,790
way other people go into complete denial

1180
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:11,580
so you know there is no as Tim was

1181
00:50:16,550 --> 00:50:14,130
pointing out one size fits all blanket

1182
00:50:19,339 --> 00:50:16,560
sort of rule of thumb or axiom about

1183
00:50:21,980 --> 00:50:19,349
this I I do agree that I think there is

1184
00:50:23,810 --> 00:50:21,990
a greater likelihood of you experiencing

1185
00:50:26,180 --> 00:50:23,820
further weird things after you've had a

1186
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:26,190
paradigm shifting event in your life I I

1187
00:50:30,260 --> 00:50:28,530
do agree with that but again as Tim Tim

1188
00:50:32,089 --> 00:50:30,270
pointed out a lot more follow-up needs

1189
00:50:34,099 --> 00:50:32,099
to be done in this area and certainly we

1190
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:34,109
don't want to be able to make an

1191
00:50:37,730 --> 00:50:36,210
analysis about someone's psychology

1192
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:37,740
without having a professional take a

1193
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:40,410
look at it well do you have at least one

1194
00:50:44,089 --> 00:50:42,210
one good case that you can think of that

1195
00:50:46,430 --> 00:50:44,099
you followed up where there was some

1196
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:46,440
paranormal activity yeah I do actually

1197
00:50:50,390 --> 00:50:48,570
I've had several but again out of the

1198
00:50:51,710 --> 00:50:50,400
thousands that I investigated they you

1199
00:50:53,930 --> 00:50:51,720
know they're the exception not they're

1200
00:50:57,550 --> 00:50:53,940
not the norm or the rule but I do have

1201
00:51:00,620 --> 00:50:57,560
some yeah some repeat cases I have a

1202
00:51:05,420 --> 00:51:00,630
three generation abduction case that's

1203
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:05,430
very intriguing so you know I think I

1204
00:51:13,099 --> 00:51:08,970
think a lot of this effects you know

1205
00:51:14,510 --> 00:51:13,109
this type of unusual occurrences in in

1206
00:51:16,609 --> 00:51:14,520
events affect people differently

1207
00:51:18,170 --> 00:51:16,619
depending on the kind of personality

1208
00:51:20,060 --> 00:51:18,180
types that they are we're gonna be

1209
00:51:21,890 --> 00:51:20,070
impacted very seriously in a moment if

1210
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:21,900
we don't do this we have Tim Beckley

1211
00:51:27,020 --> 00:51:24,690
Claudia Cunningham Chris is going to

1212
00:51:29,060 --> 00:51:27,030
talk further about three generations of

1213
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:29,070
abductions he just really started my

1214
00:51:33,260 --> 00:51:31,050
curiosity we should bring that up again

1215
00:51:36,790 --> 00:51:33,270
with Gene and Chris you're in the para

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industry won't recognize the value of

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1245
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1246
00:53:12,820 --> 00:53:11,210
hour of the para casts with Claudia

1247
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:12,830
Cunningham making her first appearance

1248
00:53:17,770 --> 00:53:15,290
with some unusual tales Tim Beckley

1249
00:53:19,420 --> 00:53:17,780
always has a story but Chris you dropped

1250
00:53:23,830 --> 00:53:19,430
this thing you've probably Marin stood

1251
00:53:26,530 --> 00:53:23,840
before you mention someone or family

1252
00:53:28,660 --> 00:53:26,540
three generations of abductions just

1253
00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:28,670
maybe covered that very briefly for

1254
00:53:32,290 --> 00:53:30,530
those who missed it you know with all

1255
00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:32,300
the work that I did in the field for 13

1256
00:53:35,710 --> 00:53:33,650
years

1257
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:35,720
you know pounding the ground literally I

1258
00:53:40,240 --> 00:53:37,970
would have expected to come up with more

1259
00:53:42,820 --> 00:53:40,250
claims of abductions and out of all that

1260
00:53:45,790 --> 00:53:42,830
time I only had four people that claimed

1261
00:53:48,820 --> 00:53:45,800
they had been abducted out of those four

1262
00:53:50,770 --> 00:53:48,830
two of them we're really intriguing and

1263
00:53:51,970 --> 00:53:50,780
I do mention those in my book secrets of

1264
00:53:54,220 --> 00:53:51,980
the mysterious valley and one of the

1265
00:53:57,520 --> 00:53:54,230
final chapters this one case was of a

1266
00:54:00,640 --> 00:53:57,530
rancher woman a single mom mother you

1267
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:00,650
know hard worker very gifted with horses

1268
00:54:04,240 --> 00:54:02,930
and in livestock and her case was

1269
00:54:06,820 --> 00:54:04,250
referred to me by the Sheriff's

1270
00:54:08,500 --> 00:54:06,830
Department I befriended her to the

1271
00:54:10,330 --> 00:54:08,510
extent of she was able to trust me

1272
00:54:13,990 --> 00:54:10,340
enough to tell me her story and it turns

1273
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:14,000
out that when she was growing up in the

1274
00:54:19,630 --> 00:54:16,610
Denver area her family experienced some

1275
00:54:23,530 --> 00:54:19,640
very unusual sighting events her her

1276
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:23,540
mother you know may have had and again I

1277
00:54:27,730 --> 00:54:25,690
was not able to ascertain this

1278
00:54:30,220 --> 00:54:27,740
definitively but she claimed that she

1279
00:54:33,850 --> 00:54:30,230
had had experiences that she hadn't told

1280
00:54:36,670 --> 00:54:33,860
her family about and her daughter then

1281
00:54:38,650 --> 00:54:36,680
started experiencing things back in the

1282
00:54:40,300 --> 00:54:38,660
late 80s if memory serves me correct

1283
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:40,310
after she had moved down to the San Luis

1284
00:54:46,210 --> 00:54:43,370
Valley and then currently her her

1285
00:54:49,420 --> 00:54:46,220
daughter was having experiences but I

1286
00:54:51,730 --> 00:54:49,430
was not allowed to really interview the

1287
00:54:54,250 --> 00:54:51,740
daughter extensively I did get some

1288
00:54:55,930 --> 00:54:54,260
confirmation of some events that had

1289
00:54:58,480 --> 00:54:55,940
happened but she was very very nervous

1290
00:55:02,170 --> 00:54:58,490
about but about spooking her little girl

1291
00:55:03,130 --> 00:55:02,180
too much she had a missing fetus when I

1292
00:55:05,710 --> 00:55:03,140
think she was entering the third

1293
00:55:06,220 --> 00:55:05,720
trimester of pregnancy which is highly

1294
00:55:07,690 --> 00:55:06,230
unusual

1295
00:55:09,730 --> 00:55:07,700
excuse me missing

1296
00:55:13,420 --> 00:55:09,740
fetus like one day she wakes up and

1297
00:55:15,849 --> 00:55:13,430
there is no right and no evidence of her

1298
00:55:18,670 --> 00:55:15,859
ever even being pregnant which blew her

1299
00:55:20,380 --> 00:55:18,680
off situation that's been reported yeah

1300
00:55:22,150 --> 00:55:20,390
it's pretty rare though that's that's

1301
00:55:25,630 --> 00:55:22,160
that's pretty rare third trimester of

1302
00:55:27,099 --> 00:55:25,640
pregnancy that's that's rare she's very

1303
00:55:29,589 --> 00:55:27,109
very nervous she had a man in black

1304
00:55:31,089 --> 00:55:29,599
encounter she claimed that the Blues

1305
00:55:36,510 --> 00:55:31,099
Brothers were down at the end of her

1306
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:40,000
gee guy dressed in black doors okay so

1307
00:55:45,910 --> 00:55:42,410
this was Dan Aykroyd and the late John

1308
00:55:47,710 --> 00:55:45,920
Belushi they were far enough away where

1309
00:55:49,060 --> 00:55:47,720
she couldn't really ID who the people

1310
00:55:51,339 --> 00:55:49,070
were but she said they looked just like

1311
00:55:54,550 --> 00:55:51,349
the Blues Brothers in the in Elle Woods

1312
00:55:56,740 --> 00:55:54,560
Blues movie black yes oh yeah all Justin

1313
00:55:58,960 --> 00:55:56,750
black actually you know Dan Aykroyd is a

1314
00:56:00,190 --> 00:55:58,970
big fan of UFOs his father just wrote a

1315
00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:00,200
book on spiritualism

1316
00:56:04,720 --> 00:56:03,410
and he had a men and black experience so

1317
00:56:10,150 --> 00:56:04,730
I think there might be something to that

1318
00:56:11,770 --> 00:56:10,160
appearance well some of the things that

1319
00:56:14,349 --> 00:56:11,780
she mentioned about her experience has

1320
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:14,359
really had me scratching my head but she

1321
00:56:16,900 --> 00:56:15,290
didn't have a certain amount of

1322
00:56:19,240 --> 00:56:16,910
documentation which was very difficult

1323
00:56:20,290 --> 00:56:19,250
to argue with and the fact that that the

1324
00:56:22,510 --> 00:56:20,300
sheriff's department had been

1325
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:22,520
investigating her case and they at one

1326
00:56:26,230 --> 00:56:24,890
point they they kind of reached you know

1327
00:56:27,460 --> 00:56:26,240
loggerheads with the whole thing they

1328
00:56:30,339 --> 00:56:27,470
they really didn't know what else to do

1329
00:56:33,250 --> 00:56:30,349
that's when I was called in and you

1330
00:56:35,079 --> 00:56:33,260
don't get cases of that caliber referred

1331
00:56:39,309 --> 00:56:35,089
to you by law enforcement very often

1332
00:56:42,010 --> 00:56:39,319
this is a highly unusual to my knowledge

1333
00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:42,020
of course I was kind of called the

1334
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:44,450
unofficial deputy awareness for several

1335
00:56:49,059 --> 00:56:46,490
counties there for a while but so much

1336
00:56:51,790 --> 00:56:49,069
was going on you encourage people by

1337
00:56:55,660 --> 00:56:51,800
your mere presence to reveal their

1338
00:56:57,849 --> 00:56:55,670
paranormal encounters your ban no I

1339
00:57:00,700 --> 00:56:57,859
don't think I encouraged people died I

1340
00:57:03,130 --> 00:57:00,710
just make sure that they know that if

1341
00:57:04,870 --> 00:57:03,140
they need to talk to somebody that there

1342
00:57:07,240 --> 00:57:04,880
is someone that would be willing to be

1343
00:57:09,730 --> 00:57:07,250
objective and non-judgmental and and

1344
00:57:12,130 --> 00:57:09,740
talk to them plus you know I I do try to

1345
00:57:14,859 --> 00:57:12,140
make people aware that the data is very

1346
00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:14,869
important even though you you let's say

1347
00:57:20,530 --> 00:57:17,770
you want to remain anonymous at least

1348
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:20,540
give me the opportunity to log the data

1349
00:57:24,340 --> 00:57:21,410
and investigate

1350
00:57:27,670 --> 00:57:24,350
the claim I but encouraged people know

1351
00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:27,680
I'm pretty pretty neutral about that

1352
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:28,250
part of it

1353
00:57:32,650 --> 00:57:30,890
Claudia before we let you go and you

1354
00:57:35,350 --> 00:57:32,660
tell us you can only spend part of this

1355
00:57:39,490 --> 00:57:35,360
show with us anymore interesting tales

1356
00:57:41,560 --> 00:57:39,500
to reveal well there are many places in

1357
00:57:44,110 --> 00:57:41,570
the city itself that have a reputation

1358
00:57:46,900 --> 00:57:44,120
of being haunted but before I tell you

1359
00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:46,910
that I and I did have I don't know if it

1360
00:57:51,820 --> 00:57:48,890
was a UFO experience but I was coming

1361
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:51,830
back from Ireland about 15 years ago and

1362
00:57:56,230 --> 00:57:54,170
I was in a plane coming up the Hudson

1363
00:57:58,450 --> 00:57:56,240
River and I was kind of looking down and

1364
00:58:00,700 --> 00:57:58,460
right near the shoreline

1365
00:58:02,920 --> 00:58:00,710
there was a little silver disc that was

1366
00:58:05,170 --> 00:58:02,930
keeping pace with our plane and was kind

1367
00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:05,180
of doing flips and you know all these

1368
00:58:10,540 --> 00:58:08,330
gyrations for about maybe I don't know

1369
00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:10,550
15 20 minutes and I always wondered

1370
00:58:13,900 --> 00:58:11,810
about that have you ever heard of

1371
00:58:16,030 --> 00:58:13,910
anything like that well there been any

1372
00:58:18,040 --> 00:58:16,040
number of instances where UFOs have

1373
00:58:19,690 --> 00:58:18,050
solid planes pretty close where people

1374
00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:19,700
passengers have looked out the window

1375
00:58:25,660 --> 00:58:23,210
and they're sure number impression in

1376
00:58:27,100 --> 00:58:25,670
the early days of the UFO field when we

1377
00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:27,110
were reading all those books for major

1378
00:58:32,380 --> 00:58:29,330
Keyhoe and the one from edward repeal

1379
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:32,390
there were stories of airline encounters

1380
00:58:37,810 --> 00:58:34,850
where the UFOs seem to be coming closer

1381
00:58:39,670 --> 00:58:37,820
yeah ray stanford has three films filmed

1382
00:58:41,980 --> 00:58:39,680
out of airliners plus there's been quite

1383
00:58:45,790 --> 00:58:41,990
a number of good photographs of objects

1384
00:58:48,460 --> 00:58:45,800
that seem to be pacing airplanes how

1385
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:48,470
about this one though I had they the now

1386
00:58:52,150 --> 00:58:50,330
the current sheriff of a county at the

1387
00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:52,160
time he was a deputy sheriff ah he was

1388
00:58:55,930 --> 00:58:54,290
up fishing at a reservoir and he heard

1389
00:58:58,930 --> 00:58:55,940
the sound of a plane he looked up and he

1390
00:59:00,190 --> 00:58:58,940
said a Cessna flew by about a thousand

1391
00:59:05,500 --> 00:59:00,200
twelve hundred feet off the ground but

1392
00:59:07,180 --> 00:59:05,510
it was flying backwards that's what the

1393
00:59:08,830 --> 00:59:07,190
airline pilots are doing now that their

1394
00:59:11,950 --> 00:59:08,840
salaries are not as high as they used to

1395
00:59:13,480 --> 00:59:11,960
be they have this philosophy well if

1396
00:59:15,730 --> 00:59:13,490
you're not going to pay us a decent

1397
00:59:19,810 --> 00:59:15,740
dollar we'll fly backwards I love it I

1398
00:59:22,930 --> 00:59:19,820
think I like the way to go could I use a

1399
00:59:25,060 --> 00:59:22,940
question before I I pack up I'd like to

1400
00:59:28,090 --> 00:59:25,070
know how many of you think that at least

1401
00:59:31,390 --> 00:59:28,100
part of this men and black thing and UFO

1402
00:59:34,360 --> 00:59:31,400
situation is spiritual the old good

1403
00:59:35,290 --> 00:59:34,370
versus evil demonic yeah well that would

1404
00:59:36,460 --> 00:59:35,300
be my my

1405
00:59:38,970 --> 00:59:36,470
feeling at the moment and although

1406
00:59:41,410 --> 00:59:38,980
people kind of misunderstand when I say

1407
00:59:43,630 --> 00:59:41,420
demons my book is titled round trip to

1408
00:59:45,880 --> 00:59:43,640
hell on the Flying Saucer they think of

1409
00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:45,890
it in the Christian fundamentalist sense

1410
00:59:49,930 --> 00:59:47,810
and I'm far from being the most

1411
00:59:52,300 --> 00:59:49,940
religious person in the in the world

1412
00:59:54,850 --> 00:59:52,310
here I see it as a when you say

1413
00:59:57,160 --> 00:59:54,860
spiritual I see it as a spirits if we

1414
01:00:00,940 --> 00:59:57,170
remember Aleister Crowley would often

1415
01:00:04,140 --> 01:00:00,950
invite being some parallel universes in

1416
01:00:07,090 --> 01:00:04,150
to join him in some ritualistic

1417
01:00:09,460 --> 01:00:07,100
ceremonies and and I think I wouldn't

1418
01:00:11,770 --> 01:00:09,470
say often but he did do it well he

1419
01:00:14,950 --> 01:00:11,780
claims to have done it at least yes but

1420
01:00:18,790 --> 01:00:14,960
I do believe that we are part of a

1421
01:00:21,430 --> 01:00:18,800
multi-dimensional cosmos and that the

1422
01:00:23,050 --> 01:00:21,440
least crafted we call UFOs are not in a

1423
01:00:25,390 --> 01:00:23,060
sense coming here from Alpha Centauri

1424
01:00:28,170 --> 01:00:25,400
like Stanton Friedman would have you

1425
01:00:30,700 --> 01:00:28,180
believe in fact I believe after years of

1426
01:00:32,560 --> 01:00:30,710
research into this field and you can't

1427
01:00:34,360 --> 01:00:32,570
go into this with blinders on and and

1428
01:00:37,030 --> 01:00:34,370
this is what a lot of people like to do

1429
01:00:38,440 --> 01:00:37,040
they have a preconceived idea they

1430
01:00:40,420 --> 01:00:38,450
didn't want to hear anything else block

1431
01:00:42,100 --> 01:00:40,430
it out of their mind they will talk over

1432
01:00:43,900 --> 01:00:42,110
you if you have another idea

1433
01:00:47,050 --> 01:00:43,910
I do believe that the government

1434
01:00:49,330 --> 01:00:47,060
secretly fostered the idea that flying

1435
01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:49,340
saucers were interplanetary it could

1436
01:00:54,910 --> 01:00:51,410
well have been that even groups like

1437
01:00:56,590 --> 01:00:54,920
night-cap were organized that for this

1438
01:00:58,780 --> 01:00:56,600
purpose because in fact if you go back

1439
01:01:00,250 --> 01:00:58,790
and you check the ruffster of those who

1440
01:01:02,080 --> 01:01:00,260
were on the board of directors and

1441
01:01:03,850 --> 01:01:02,090
closely involved with Kehoe's work

1442
01:01:06,370 --> 01:01:03,860
you'll find that a lot of them had a

1443
01:01:08,140 --> 01:01:06,380
government and CIA connection the

1444
01:01:09,970 --> 01:01:08,150
government would well I know that some

1445
01:01:12,610 --> 01:01:09,980
people okay that's the old conspiracy

1446
01:01:13,750 --> 01:01:12,620
theory about nycap yeah that but the

1447
01:01:16,960 --> 01:01:13,760
other theory being of course that

1448
01:01:18,610 --> 01:01:16,970
because Kehoe is ex-military he had so

1449
01:01:20,830 --> 01:01:18,620
many friends from the military who came

1450
01:01:22,330 --> 01:01:20,840
aboard but the other theory of course is

1451
01:01:24,880 --> 01:01:22,340
that anyone who had any military

1452
01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:24,890
connection had to be one of them well

1453
01:01:30,700 --> 01:01:28,010
this goes back even further now Gina I

1454
01:01:35,230 --> 01:01:30,710
also believe that this porthole was

1455
01:01:37,660 --> 01:01:35,240
opened by in Germany around 1920 in a

1456
01:01:40,360 --> 01:01:37,670
secret society was a secret society made

1457
01:01:42,340 --> 01:01:40,370
up of what eventually become men members

1458
01:01:45,490 --> 01:01:42,350
of the SS and the German Nazi hierarchy

1459
01:01:48,040 --> 01:01:45,500
who are actually holding seances there

1460
01:01:49,150 --> 01:01:48,050
were eight very attractive women with

1461
01:01:50,860 --> 01:01:49,160
long hair they

1462
01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:50,870
didn't have their hair usually that

1463
01:01:54,600 --> 01:01:52,490
wasn't the style in those days so

1464
01:01:58,570 --> 01:01:54,610
instead three men in dark suits its

1465
01:02:00,430 --> 01:01:58,580
women three women with long hair this

1466
01:02:03,310 --> 01:02:00,440
was this was eight women and they said

1467
01:02:05,560 --> 01:02:03,320
in a seance in a secret society meeting

1468
01:02:08,350 --> 01:02:05,570
in a lodge a hunting lodge and they

1469
01:02:10,570 --> 01:02:08,360
actually claimed that they had channeled

1470
01:02:12,760 --> 01:02:10,580
messages from beings from another

1471
01:02:16,090 --> 01:02:12,770
dimension and in fact they actually took

1472
01:02:18,010 --> 01:02:16,100
down the the graphics illustrate it

1473
01:02:19,960 --> 01:02:18,020
through automatic writing what the craft

1474
01:02:22,420 --> 01:02:19,970
would look like and if you compare those

1475
01:02:24,580 --> 01:02:22,430
drawings that were made in the 1920s to

1476
01:02:27,480 --> 01:02:24,590
the crafts that were supposedly cited by

1477
01:02:30,670 --> 01:02:27,490
George Adamski and others and the the

1478
01:02:32,020 --> 01:02:30,680
1950s it's shockingly similar I'll tell

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you what's shockingly similar this

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message we're talking to Claudia

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Cunningham and Tim Beckley with gene and

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if you're like me you just don't know

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where to put your money because there's

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a downside to every possible scenario

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for inflation gold has been the classic

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got to protect yourself give it some

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O'Brien his voice gets to be more

1589
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demonic demonic well you're not doing at

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least the trickster imitation please

1591
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don't we have Tim Beck Lee Claudia

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Cunningham and Tim you telling us about

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the seance but isn't it also true that

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you know for years we've been hearing

1595
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these stories about weird Nazi

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experiments and developments I mean on a

1597
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previous week's episode with Ed chimeric

1598
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he was talking about a 1936 UFO crash in

1599
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the Black Forest well that's I don't

1600
01:07:59,150 --> 01:07:58,020
know if that's substantiate it or not by

1601
01:08:02,570 --> 01:07:59,160
the way you forgot to ask

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Edie about his fire walking the first

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time I met Edie it was he was or he had

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organized that year the Congress of

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01:08:12,050 --> 01:08:09,600
scientific ufologists of course founded

1606
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by Jim Mosely and you and I were very

1607
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much involved in that organization well

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01:08:19,160 --> 01:08:16,290
were you not there when he walked across

1609
01:08:22,340 --> 01:08:19,170
fire in his backyard as part of the

1610
01:08:24,920 --> 01:08:22,350
mystical experiences of having organized

1611
01:08:26,660 --> 01:08:24,930
that's a particularly conference I don't

1612
01:08:29,840 --> 01:08:26,670
remember what year it was but that has

1613
01:08:31,970 --> 01:08:29,850
to probably be one of the the most

1614
01:08:35,960 --> 01:08:31,980
spectacular events associated with one

1615
01:08:37,160 --> 01:08:35,970
of Jim's yearly events and and that's

1616
01:08:39,710 --> 01:08:37,170
something I don't think I've ever heard

1617
01:08:42,559 --> 01:08:39,720
anybody mind-over-matter that's that's

1618
01:08:45,380 --> 01:08:42,569
what it was of course well getting back

1619
01:08:47,510 --> 01:08:45,390
to Claudia's question Tim one thing that

1620
01:08:48,710 --> 01:08:47,520
I find very intriguing is the work of

1621
01:08:51,320 --> 01:08:48,720
rosemary ellen guiley

1622
01:08:53,510 --> 01:08:51,330
who I've talked to recently and is

1623
01:08:55,700 --> 01:08:53,520
becoming more and more and more

1624
01:08:59,900 --> 01:08:55,710
convinced that many of the paranormal

1625
01:09:02,090 --> 01:08:59,910
aberrations and haunted sites and more

1626
01:09:03,290 --> 01:09:02,100
the paranormal type events are the work

1627
01:09:05,780 --> 01:09:03,300
of the Djinn

1628
01:09:09,500 --> 01:09:05,790
has really become convinced that the

1629
01:09:11,810 --> 01:09:09,510
Islamic version of our explanation of

1630
01:09:14,330 --> 01:09:11,820
paranormal phenomena which is the jinn

1631
01:09:17,450 --> 01:09:14,340
is applicable in most if not all

1632
01:09:19,970 --> 01:09:17,460
paranormal cases so in that case we're

1633
01:09:23,110 --> 01:09:19,980
talking about potential you- jinn and

1634
01:09:26,240 --> 01:09:23,120
there's positive Jen Jen just the

1635
01:09:28,820 --> 01:09:26,250
Islamic version of a Christian that

1636
01:09:30,770 --> 01:09:28,830
demon it's all one of the same I know no

1637
01:09:33,950 --> 01:09:30,780
it's not no it's not I disagree totally

1638
01:09:36,680 --> 01:09:33,960
Chris they even be possessed people and

1639
01:09:38,030 --> 01:09:36,690
they even have exorcisms did you realize

1640
01:09:42,230 --> 01:09:38,040
that right right but they're a positive

1641
01:09:44,180 --> 01:09:42,240
jinn as well it it's not totally on the

1642
01:09:46,520 --> 01:09:44,190
other hand there are also probably

1643
01:09:48,560 --> 01:09:46,530
positive spirits too so to me it's just

1644
01:09:51,890 --> 01:09:48,570
a slightly different explanation or

1645
01:09:53,480 --> 01:09:51,900
definition of what a demon would be it's

1646
01:09:56,360 --> 01:09:53,490
just a matter of terminology in a matter

1647
01:09:58,130 --> 01:09:56,370
of a name well yeah I think it goes

1648
01:10:01,160 --> 01:09:58,140
beyond that though there are specific

1649
01:10:04,160 --> 01:10:01,170
attributes within the Islamic version or

1650
01:10:06,350 --> 01:10:04,170
explanation a definition there are

1651
01:10:07,490 --> 01:10:06,360
twelve different types of jinn you know

1652
01:10:10,760 --> 01:10:07,500
there's not twelve different types of

1653
01:10:12,410 --> 01:10:10,770
demons demons is a catch-all phrase that

1654
01:10:13,640 --> 01:10:12,420
is perceived as being negative well I

1655
01:10:15,080 --> 01:10:13,650
don't think you've probably read that

1656
01:10:16,580 --> 01:10:15,090
much literature on the subject because

1657
01:10:19,280 --> 01:10:16,590
there certainly are different rankings

1658
01:10:21,020 --> 01:10:19,290
of demons anyway the thing is is that

1659
01:10:24,860 --> 01:10:21,030
you're right I think a lot of this is a

1660
01:10:26,750 --> 01:10:24,870
spiritual or a paranormal event and a

1661
01:10:28,160 --> 01:10:26,760
lot of people they have sightings and

1662
01:10:30,080 --> 01:10:28,170
these are these aren't well infected Lee

1663
01:10:32,810 --> 01:10:30,090
in the book I did an interview with you

1664
01:10:34,760 --> 01:10:32,820
about the shapeshifters and so not only

1665
01:10:38,690 --> 01:10:34,770
does it turn out that the the beings

1666
01:10:40,400 --> 01:10:38,700
themselves can mutate but the objects as

1667
01:10:41,780 --> 01:10:40,410
well there are a number of cases where

1668
01:10:44,300 --> 01:10:41,790
I've talked to witnesses and they were

1669
01:10:46,120 --> 01:10:44,310
particularly puzzled by the fact that lo

1670
01:10:49,790 --> 01:10:46,130
and behold right in front of their eyes

1671
01:10:52,490 --> 01:10:49,800
the craft that they were witnessing went

1672
01:10:55,970 --> 01:10:52,500
from a large ball to a small cigar or

1673
01:10:57,910 --> 01:10:55,980
vice versa right or even even morphed

1674
01:11:00,860 --> 01:10:57,920
into a helicopter I had one case where a

1675
01:11:02,570 --> 01:11:00,870
spirit turned into a helicopter now I've

1676
01:11:07,610 --> 01:11:02,580
got footage of a helicopter turning into

1677
01:11:11,690 --> 01:11:07,620
a sphere okay if you go to youtube and

1678
01:11:13,670 --> 01:11:11,700
type in airplane morphed into UFO it's

1679
01:11:15,530 --> 01:11:13,680
amazing I don't know if it's a trick

1680
01:11:17,270 --> 01:11:15,540
photography or what but it sure looks

1681
01:11:19,129 --> 01:11:17,280
real you see it also

1682
01:11:20,899 --> 01:11:19,139
could be light a light bloom - from the

1683
01:11:21,560 --> 01:11:20,909
angle of the Sun reflecting off the

1684
01:11:22,939 --> 01:11:21,570
craft

1685
01:11:26,240 --> 01:11:22,949
I have footage from the San Luis Valley

1686
01:11:28,549 --> 01:11:26,250
that looks like a perfect sphere sailing

1687
01:11:30,770 --> 01:11:28,559
across the sky and the first five frames

1688
01:11:32,149 --> 01:11:30,780
if you notice it's actually a helicopter

1689
01:11:34,250 --> 01:11:32,159
and it's right when the Sun hits that

1690
01:11:35,779 --> 01:11:34,260
round canopy that boom it the light

1691
01:11:37,459 --> 01:11:35,789
blooms and it looks like a perfect

1692
01:11:40,939 --> 01:11:37,469
silver sphere flying across the screen

1693
01:11:42,770 --> 01:11:40,949
so you know interesting things a couple

1694
01:11:45,470 --> 01:11:42,780
of days ago in Moscow there was a video

1695
01:11:49,250 --> 01:11:45,480
that was taken during one of the Putin

1696
01:11:50,959 --> 01:11:49,260
protests there damn this is the weirdest

1697
01:11:52,970 --> 01:11:50,969
thing in the sky it looks a cross

1698
01:11:59,419 --> 01:11:52,980
between a UFO and a helicopter that's

1699
01:12:02,060 --> 01:11:59,429
Putin cam notes our friend Charles Ford

1700
01:12:04,430 --> 01:12:02,070
said and I loved it I always remembered

1701
01:12:07,669 --> 01:12:04,440
it it said not only is the world

1702
01:12:09,709 --> 01:12:07,679
stranger then we know it's stranger than

1703
01:12:11,660 --> 01:12:09,719
we can know and I don't think any of us

1704
01:12:12,290 --> 01:12:11,670
have the answers but we at least we have

1705
01:12:14,569 --> 01:12:12,300
the questions

1706
01:12:16,939 --> 01:12:14,579
it takes you into some fascinating

1707
01:12:18,560 --> 01:12:16,949
places right right it's the people that

1708
01:12:20,390 --> 01:12:18,570
ask the more interesting questions to

1709
01:12:22,520 --> 01:12:20,400
get creative with their questions that I

1710
01:12:23,839 --> 01:12:22,530
think have a better chance of moving the

1711
01:12:26,510 --> 01:12:23,849
ball down the field let's put it that

1712
01:12:28,160 --> 01:12:26,520
way well we live in an era when you know

1713
01:12:29,959 --> 01:12:28,170
people don't read books anymore they

1714
01:12:32,029 --> 01:12:29,969
don't ask questions they accept

1715
01:12:34,669 --> 01:12:32,039
everything that's told and I think

1716
01:12:37,040 --> 01:12:34,679
people with the curiosity I think we've

1717
01:12:38,689 --> 01:12:37,050
the more interesting lives I know I'll

1718
01:12:41,060 --> 01:12:38,699
never be a normal housewife

1719
01:12:43,220 --> 01:12:41,070
I always I'm an adventurer and all my

1720
01:12:46,399 --> 01:12:43,230
friends are and you know just meeting

1721
01:12:48,919 --> 01:12:46,409
Jim this was such a fun thing you know

1722
01:12:51,979 --> 01:12:48,929
people through him and it's opened my my

1723
01:12:54,140 --> 01:12:51,989
mind up 100 times from what it was let's

1724
01:12:56,060 --> 01:12:54,150
let's give it Tim I love talking to him

1725
01:12:58,430 --> 01:12:56,070
we had such a great time in the cemetery

1726
01:13:00,470 --> 01:12:58,440
- glad you guys were with us we had a

1727
01:13:02,660 --> 01:13:00,480
lot of laughs if you're ever a New York

1728
01:13:03,830 --> 01:13:02,670
way look so I'll get together I'll take

1729
01:13:05,689 --> 01:13:03,840
you on a tour Oh

1730
01:13:10,609 --> 01:13:05,699
sounds like a plan I'm sure Charles

1731
01:13:12,470 --> 01:13:10,619
would like to talk to us all hey there

1732
01:13:13,910 --> 01:13:12,480
charlie I wonder what Charles fourth

1733
01:13:16,700 --> 01:13:13,920
believed what do you think he believed

1734
01:13:18,560 --> 01:13:16,710
him - we are property we are property

1735
01:13:21,350 --> 01:13:18,570
that's it but you kind of think when you

1736
01:13:22,910 --> 01:13:21,360
say that kind of non seriously well I

1737
01:13:25,879 --> 01:13:22,920
don't know you know of course some of

1738
01:13:27,439 --> 01:13:25,889
the his writing are somewhat dusty Racal

1739
01:13:29,779 --> 01:13:27,449
you know I mean kind of tongue-in-cheek

1740
01:13:31,040 --> 01:13:29,789
but then he was investing he was a

1741
01:13:32,839 --> 01:13:31,050
professional writer and he

1742
01:13:34,370 --> 01:13:32,849
you know good writer he took all that

1743
01:13:37,160 --> 01:13:34,380
material and put it together in a

1744
01:13:38,600 --> 01:13:37,170
coherent fashion my god if a lot of

1745
01:13:41,180 --> 01:13:38,610
other people didn't come along long

1746
01:13:42,560 --> 01:13:41,190
after him and just rewrite all of what

1747
01:13:44,450 --> 01:13:42,570
he had written you know and he covered

1748
01:13:46,479 --> 01:13:44,460
more than just UFOs of course he was

1749
01:13:49,399 --> 01:13:46,489
very much involved in mysterious

1750
01:13:51,410 --> 01:13:49,409
disappearances and plantings and things

1751
01:13:54,500 --> 01:13:51,420
that go bump in the night in in general

1752
01:13:56,689 --> 01:13:54,510
he had a massive collection of course of

1753
01:13:58,790 --> 01:13:56,699
all this he wants to spend hours

1754
01:14:00,649 --> 01:13:58,800
probably half of his life in the library

1755
01:14:02,060 --> 01:14:00,659
both in England and then you know he was

1756
01:14:04,399 --> 01:14:02,070
born in England of course but he came

1757
01:14:06,740 --> 01:14:04,409
here with his family I think maybe in

1758
01:14:08,450 --> 01:14:06,750
the 1920s or so and that's why they are

1759
01:14:10,280 --> 01:14:08,460
buried in Albany and I've often wondered

1760
01:14:12,379 --> 01:14:10,290
about that I don't really know that much

1761
01:14:14,240 --> 01:14:12,389
about his family or his the background

1762
01:14:16,040 --> 01:14:14,250
I'm sure the people have written about

1763
01:14:18,379 --> 01:14:16,050
it yes there are a couple biographies

1764
01:14:19,790 --> 01:14:18,389
sure yeah there's a brand-new one out I

1765
01:14:21,950 --> 01:14:19,800
grabbed it I didn't read the whole thing

1766
01:14:23,870 --> 01:14:21,960
but I think he was a cynic in the

1767
01:14:25,760 --> 01:14:23,880
beginning and then was a believer kind

1768
01:14:27,830 --> 01:14:25,770
of like Harry Houdini who was also a

1769
01:14:30,020 --> 01:14:27,840
cynic I think he died is cynic though

1770
01:14:31,060 --> 01:14:30,030
did me well Harry Houdini was beyond

1771
01:14:34,459 --> 01:14:31,070
cynic

1772
01:14:37,100 --> 01:14:34,469
he was a d bunker yeah his livelihood

1773
01:14:39,020 --> 01:14:37,110
depended upon to a good degree at the

1774
01:14:41,209 --> 01:14:39,030
bumpy and virtuous you know it was the

1775
01:14:43,100 --> 01:14:41,219
first the amazing Randi the original D

1776
01:14:45,350 --> 01:14:43,110
bunker he was indeed yes

1777
01:14:47,390 --> 01:14:45,360
Houdini travelled actually around the

1778
01:14:50,390 --> 01:14:47,400
country and the world debating Sir

1779
01:14:52,310 --> 01:14:50,400
Arthur Conan Doyle I mean they both just

1780
01:14:53,740 --> 01:14:52,320
like thrived on each other Doyle of

1781
01:14:56,510 --> 01:14:53,750
course is a big big believer in

1782
01:14:58,459 --> 01:14:56,520
spiritualism you know I've read some of

1783
01:15:00,950 --> 01:14:58,469
oils work we have a couple of books on

1784
01:15:03,260 --> 01:15:00,960
the Houdini and I do believe that some

1785
01:15:04,879 --> 01:15:03,270
of the manifestations that took place in

1786
01:15:06,919 --> 01:15:04,889
the seance room it was not all

1787
01:15:09,740 --> 01:15:06,929
fraudulent like Harry Houdini would have

1788
01:15:11,870 --> 01:15:09,750
you believe in fact if you compare what

1789
01:15:14,120 --> 01:15:11,880
happened in the seance room there's a

1790
01:15:18,290 --> 01:15:14,130
great deal of similarities between the

1791
01:15:20,780 --> 01:15:18,300
phenomena there and the UFO phenomena we

1792
01:15:23,450 --> 01:15:20,790
have Tim Beckley Claudia Cunningham

1793
01:15:26,810 --> 01:15:23,460
who's leaving shortly thanks for joining

1794
01:15:37,540 --> 01:15:26,820
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hi this is Ted Phillips listening to the

1895
01:20:03,859 --> 01:19:57,360
parrot cat and it's as good as it gets

1896
01:20:07,129 --> 01:20:03,869
believing Tim Beckley remain Claudia

1897
01:20:08,510 --> 01:20:07,139
Cunningham has left the building you're

1898
01:20:11,390 --> 01:20:08,520
with Jen and Chris you're in the power

1899
01:20:13,640 --> 01:20:11,400
cast exploring so many subjects she

1900
01:20:16,580 --> 01:20:13,650
can't keep up with them all this

1901
01:20:19,250 --> 01:20:16,590
paranoia and the UFO field and you have

1902
01:20:21,709 --> 01:20:19,260
to wonder here sometimes Tim maybe you

1903
01:20:24,709 --> 01:20:21,719
can expand on this whether the paranoia

1904
01:20:28,609 --> 01:20:24,719
is being generated by our reactions to

1905
01:20:32,060 --> 01:20:28,619
UFOs and paranormal phenomena by the

1906
01:20:34,850 --> 01:20:32,070
military trying to as they say create

1907
01:20:36,800 --> 01:20:34,860
confusion what's your take on it well of

1908
01:20:40,280 --> 01:20:36,810
course there are a lot of people in the

1909
01:20:42,200 --> 01:20:40,290
UFO field that are paranoid you know

1910
01:20:43,700 --> 01:20:42,210
something though Jean and Chris I don't

1911
01:20:45,649 --> 01:20:43,710
think that those people are the ones

1912
01:20:49,189 --> 01:20:45,659
that are the experiencer is so much

1913
01:20:51,919 --> 01:20:49,199
there tends to be a lot of hoopla Hmong

1914
01:20:53,959 --> 01:20:51,929
the researchers and in the field you

1915
01:20:56,899 --> 01:20:53,969
know who feel that there's some great

1916
01:20:59,030 --> 01:20:56,909
conspiracy going on well I think the

1917
01:21:01,669 --> 01:20:59,040
reason that there is a conspiracy I mean

1918
01:21:03,979 --> 01:21:01,679
for the most part is that how can you

1919
01:21:05,899 --> 01:21:03,989
know Obama go on TV the the you know

1920
01:21:09,290 --> 01:21:05,909
scene of a sudden is group they're

1921
01:21:11,569 --> 01:21:09,300
expect the government to come clean on

1922
01:21:13,580 --> 01:21:11,579
UFOs well how could they possibly do

1923
01:21:15,680 --> 01:21:13,590
that first of all I'm Jesse let's just

1924
01:21:18,819 --> 01:21:15,690
back up a little bit you're talking

1925
01:21:21,859 --> 01:21:18,829
about the recent petition send to Obama

1926
01:21:23,839 --> 01:21:21,869
not only just that but this goes back to

1927
01:21:25,490 --> 01:21:23,849
the days of the keyhole and all that you

1928
01:21:28,850 --> 01:21:25,500
know you can push the extra-terrestrial

1929
01:21:30,620 --> 01:21:28,860
theory all that you want but unless you

1930
01:21:33,229 --> 01:21:30,630
and I can go out on Dancing with the

1931
01:21:35,419 --> 01:21:33,239
Stars in that tap dance with a with an

1932
01:21:37,520 --> 01:21:35,429
et or something you can't you can't

1933
01:21:40,550 --> 01:21:37,530
prove it I mean I speak for yourself

1934
01:21:43,069 --> 01:21:40,560
about dancing with et please I don't

1935
01:21:47,600 --> 01:21:43,079
dance you don't dance well I I can do a

1936
01:21:51,020 --> 01:21:47,610
little jitterbug and but the it's it's

1937
01:21:53,000 --> 01:21:51,030
not happening I mean if the UFO entity

1938
01:21:56,419 --> 01:21:53,010
entities are known as I call them

1939
01:21:59,300 --> 01:21:56,429
entities Juanes wanted us to to

1940
01:22:02,060 --> 01:21:59,310
represent them or acknowledge their

1941
01:22:04,310 --> 01:22:02,070
existence they would be here and the

1942
01:22:06,500 --> 01:22:04,320
fact of the matter is is that as soon as

1943
01:22:08,300 --> 01:22:06,510
you get there close enough they they

1944
01:22:11,090 --> 01:22:08,310
disappear they hightail it out of town

1945
01:22:13,220 --> 01:22:11,100
area across the vacant lot area there

1946
01:22:15,410 --> 01:22:13,230
has been this overwhelming conception

1947
01:22:16,760 --> 01:22:15,420
that the government knows exactly what

1948
01:22:21,050 --> 01:22:16,770
is going on in there

1949
01:22:24,590 --> 01:22:21,060
hiding it from us well you know maybe

1950
01:22:27,590 --> 01:22:24,600
some one or two individuals in the in

1951
01:22:29,540 --> 01:22:27,600
the higher echelon certainly not Obama

1952
01:22:31,910 --> 01:22:29,550
or anybody else that ran for president

1953
01:22:33,290 --> 01:22:31,920
maybe the closest was Ronald Reagan

1954
01:22:36,290 --> 01:22:33,300
because he could you know kind of had

1955
01:22:38,600 --> 01:22:36,300
his own you know experiences and was his

1956
01:22:39,860 --> 01:22:38,610
wife was into astrology and and things

1957
01:22:43,630 --> 01:22:39,870
like that maybe he had a little bit more

1958
01:22:47,450 --> 01:22:43,640
inkling but even the Jimmy Carter and

1959
01:22:49,340 --> 01:22:47,460
Clinton you know who were aggressively

1960
01:22:50,930 --> 01:22:49,350
interested in the subject yeah it was

1961
01:22:52,370 --> 01:22:50,940
brushed aside they would told her it was

1962
01:22:54,470 --> 01:22:52,380
either nothing to it or it wasn't

1963
01:22:57,110 --> 01:22:54,480
important in law well the government

1964
01:22:59,780 --> 01:22:57,120
can't go first of all who speaks for the

1965
01:23:01,940 --> 01:22:59,790
the government as far as this goes you

1966
01:23:04,520 --> 01:23:01,950
know they people would say oh it's a

1967
01:23:07,370 --> 01:23:04,530
bomb again on TV and talked about the

1968
01:23:09,140 --> 01:23:07,380
arrival of extraterrestrials some the

1969
01:23:12,020 --> 01:23:09,150
right-wingers would say it's a false

1970
01:23:13,670 --> 01:23:12,030
flag others would say that he was you

1971
01:23:17,630 --> 01:23:13,680
know the Christians would say that he's

1972
01:23:20,900 --> 01:23:17,640
in league with the demonic forces how in

1973
01:23:22,910 --> 01:23:20,910
God's name could anyone from the

1974
01:23:27,470 --> 01:23:22,920
government I think would be either

1975
01:23:29,600 --> 01:23:27,480
stoned or boo-hooed out of politics it's

1976
01:23:32,870 --> 01:23:29,610
just a it's something that you can't

1977
01:23:34,900 --> 01:23:32,880
touch and also basically saying here is

1978
01:23:38,570 --> 01:23:34,910
that the government in your

1979
01:23:40,430 --> 01:23:38,580
interpretation Tim can never reveal the

1980
01:23:46,670 --> 01:23:40,440
truth about UFOs because we would

1981
01:23:48,950 --> 01:23:46,680
dismiss it there is a truth Tim let's

1982
01:23:50,870 --> 01:23:48,960
forget what the truth is let's assume

1983
01:23:53,660 --> 01:23:50,880
there's a truth they know the truth and

1984
01:23:55,610 --> 01:23:53,670
therefore they're ready to tell us Obama

1985
01:23:57,860 --> 01:23:55,620
is in the Oval Office whatever we have

1986
01:24:00,020 --> 01:23:57,870
the cameras he says I have to tell you

1987
01:24:02,960 --> 01:24:00,030
that we have confirmed that we are

1988
01:24:04,610 --> 01:24:02,970
apparently being visited by aliens from

1989
01:24:07,400 --> 01:24:04,620
another planet and you're saying

1990
01:24:09,830 --> 01:24:07,410
basically that okay as far as we're

1991
01:24:10,859 --> 01:24:09,840
concerned we wouldn't accept that we

1992
01:24:13,259 --> 01:24:10,869
want to have them

1993
01:24:15,139 --> 01:24:13,269
maybe the pub maybe the public would but

1994
01:24:18,330 --> 01:24:15,149
the military-industrial complex

1995
01:24:21,659 --> 01:24:18,340
certainly wouldn't and as you probably

1996
01:24:25,830 --> 01:24:21,669
realize they seem at least in this day

1997
01:24:27,779 --> 01:24:25,840
and age to be pulling the strings so why

1998
01:24:31,889 --> 01:24:27,789
do we need an intelligence from

1999
01:24:32,549 --> 01:24:31,899
somewhere else to maybe be smarter than

2000
01:24:33,949 --> 01:24:32,559
we are

2001
01:24:36,600 --> 01:24:33,959
that's not something that any government

2002
01:24:40,350 --> 01:24:36,610
allows I don't care if you're China the

2003
01:24:43,439 --> 01:24:40,360
United States or the some small in the

2004
01:24:44,009 --> 01:24:43,449
country in Africa whoever is your your

2005
01:24:49,500 --> 01:24:44,019
leader

2006
01:24:51,989 --> 01:24:49,510
higher than than that you know so that

2007
01:24:55,259 --> 01:24:51,999
that's another thing also too if it's is

2008
01:24:59,129 --> 01:24:55,269
demonic the forces or let's call it

2009
01:25:02,429 --> 01:24:59,139
spiritual spirit the forces or jinn did

2010
01:25:06,739 --> 01:25:02,439
you go on TV and Chris and say it's the

2011
01:25:09,719 --> 01:25:06,749
Djinn I mean first of all of course not

2012
01:25:10,979 --> 01:25:09,729
even before Tim because it'd be even

2013
01:25:12,389 --> 01:25:10,989
more bizarre than that it could be

2014
01:25:14,639 --> 01:25:12,399
manifestation of the collective human

2015
01:25:15,299 --> 01:25:14,649
unconscious we could be manifesting all

2016
01:25:16,799 --> 01:25:15,309
this stuff

2017
01:25:19,500 --> 01:25:16,809
yeah well that's excited that you can't

2018
01:25:22,169 --> 01:25:19,510
yeah yeah I mean so it's just the only

2019
01:25:24,299 --> 01:25:22,179
the only thing that you know I should

2020
01:25:26,699 --> 01:25:24,309
see at some point maybe they would say

2021
01:25:30,149 --> 01:25:26,709
that we have evidence that there was

2022
01:25:31,830 --> 01:25:30,159
once you know like a some structure on

2023
01:25:35,489 --> 01:25:31,840
the moon or somebody might have visited

2024
01:25:38,189 --> 01:25:35,499
Mars or perhaps even you know come to

2025
01:25:41,549 --> 01:25:38,199
earth in the distant past but that's a

2026
01:25:43,439 --> 01:25:41,559
long time ago it yes m'lord what think

2027
01:25:45,899 --> 01:25:43,449
of it this way another approach might be

2028
01:25:48,270 --> 01:25:45,909
where you gradually reveal the

2029
01:25:50,819 --> 01:25:48,280
information like now we discover all

2030
01:25:53,159 --> 01:25:50,829
these planets with earth-like qualities

2031
01:25:54,509 --> 01:25:53,169
the class-m planet we're going that

2032
01:25:57,029 --> 01:25:54,519
we're going out how many years since

2033
01:25:58,979 --> 01:25:57,039
1947 we're going 60 years to something

2034
01:26:05,060 --> 01:25:58,989
like that but it's not congratulate it

2035
01:26:09,929 --> 01:26:07,290
immediate has been programming culture

2036
01:26:12,299 --> 01:26:09,939
to accept these realities these things

2037
01:26:16,139 --> 01:26:12,309
as real I don't know it's cited to me

2038
01:26:17,939 --> 01:26:16,149
it's you know the people who take Steven

2039
01:26:21,209 --> 01:26:17,949
Spielberg in his films right well he's

2040
01:26:23,429 --> 01:26:21,219
made UFO films were you know angelic

2041
01:26:24,750 --> 01:26:23,439
beings have been seen he's had you know

2042
01:26:28,020 --> 01:26:24,760
like all kinds of

2043
01:26:30,660 --> 01:26:28,030
monsters from outer space it doesn't

2044
01:26:33,509 --> 01:26:30,670
really seem to be as far as I can tell a

2045
01:26:36,149 --> 01:26:33,519
message except that maybe movie makers

2046
01:26:39,029 --> 01:26:36,159
tend to be a little bit more open-minded

2047
01:26:41,819 --> 01:26:39,039
than some people so they'll throw out

2048
01:26:44,370 --> 01:26:41,829
the possibility that these things could

2049
01:26:46,950 --> 01:26:44,380
be real I don't know is if there's a

2050
01:26:48,750 --> 01:26:46,960
great cultural swing to do anything on

2051
01:26:51,600 --> 01:26:48,760
this and if it was it's kind of

2052
01:26:54,419 --> 01:26:51,610
evaporated over the over the years you

2053
01:26:56,759 --> 01:26:54,429
know you could say something like oh the

2054
01:27:00,270 --> 01:26:56,769
day dear Stood Still which still remains

2055
01:27:04,290 --> 01:27:00,280
my favorite all-time UFO science fiction

2056
01:27:06,569 --> 01:27:04,300
movie there might have been a message in

2057
01:27:10,410 --> 01:27:06,579
in that the message in Close Encounters

2058
01:27:14,729 --> 01:27:10,420
was that Steven Spielberg was kind of

2059
01:27:17,069 --> 01:27:14,739
putting down in the cinema fashion what

2060
01:27:20,220 --> 01:27:17,079
he what had fascinated him as a as a

2061
01:27:22,560 --> 01:27:20,230
child you know I was the editor or one

2062
01:27:26,399 --> 01:27:22,570
of the editors of the official Close

2063
01:27:28,410 --> 01:27:26,409
Encounters poster magazine it was a

2064
01:27:30,600 --> 01:27:28,420
quarterly that came out after the the

2065
01:27:32,759 --> 01:27:30,610
film of course there was huge box office

2066
01:27:34,470 --> 01:27:32,769
in those days and and I was trimming to

2067
01:27:35,819 --> 01:27:34,480
get a lot of this information I

2068
01:27:38,759 --> 01:27:35,829
interviewed a couple of the actors that

2069
01:27:40,979 --> 01:27:38,769
was on you know that were in the in the

2070
01:27:43,319 --> 01:27:40,989
film Bob Balaban in fact it was a couple

2071
01:27:46,109 --> 01:27:43,329
of TV shows with him so I got all the

2072
01:27:48,779 --> 01:27:46,119
literature you know my job was to take

2073
01:27:51,379 --> 01:27:48,789
the movie and show how it related to

2074
01:27:53,879 --> 01:27:51,389
real-life goings-on and obviously

2075
01:27:57,240 --> 01:27:53,889
Spielberg had done his work he had grown

2076
01:27:59,100 --> 01:27:57,250
up just like the three of us reading UFO

2077
01:28:05,459 --> 01:27:59,110
literature's so of course they also

2078
01:28:08,370 --> 01:28:05,469
brought rights to dr. Hynix book what

2079
01:28:11,669 --> 01:28:08,380
the right he was used as a consultant in

2080
01:28:12,839 --> 01:28:11,679
the and they used the terminology but

2081
01:28:15,089 --> 01:28:12,849
they probably would have gone ahead and

2082
01:28:17,669 --> 01:28:15,099
done it anyway because from what I know

2083
01:28:21,450 --> 01:28:17,679
they didn't pay him a vast sum of money

2084
01:28:23,879 --> 01:28:21,460
hardly anything from what I can tell but

2085
01:28:26,580 --> 01:28:23,889
anyway you know and that was to me that

2086
01:28:29,580 --> 01:28:26,590
would be the closest to to UFO

2087
01:28:31,410 --> 01:28:29,590
propaganda but it's not the government

2088
01:28:33,479 --> 01:28:31,420
inspired it was inspired by Steve

2089
01:28:37,859 --> 01:28:33,489
Spielberg because of what had happened

2090
01:28:38,640 --> 01:28:37,869
to him as a as a growing up and his own

2091
01:28:43,590 --> 01:28:38,650
interest in this

2092
01:28:45,720 --> 01:28:43,600
subject not by any any means was he told

2093
01:28:47,700 --> 01:28:45,730
they're forced to do that by any

2094
01:28:50,220 --> 01:28:47,710
government agency although I will

2095
01:28:51,930 --> 01:28:50,230
contend that I still contend that they'd

2096
01:28:54,419 --> 01:28:51,940
rather have you believe that flying

2097
01:28:55,290 --> 01:28:54,429
saucers the UFOs are from out there if

2098
01:28:56,640 --> 01:28:55,300
you're going to believe in anything

2099
01:28:58,229 --> 01:28:56,650
believes that they're from out there and

2100
01:29:00,660 --> 01:28:58,239
don't believe that they're anything

2101
01:29:02,370 --> 01:29:00,670
closer to home yeah because that would

2102
01:29:04,740 --> 01:29:02,380
be that would be infinitely more scary I

2103
01:29:06,180 --> 01:29:04,750
think people would be more Christ is

2104
01:29:08,340 --> 01:29:06,190
more scary and it would turn the

2105
01:29:10,560 --> 01:29:08,350
religion over upside down because

2106
01:29:12,479 --> 01:29:10,570
anything anything gets people panicking

2107
01:29:14,939 --> 01:29:12,489
in the street as far as religion goes I

2108
01:29:17,130 --> 01:29:14,949
mean it doesn't matter what the you know

2109
01:29:20,100 --> 01:29:17,140
the thing is and if it were the Djinn or

2110
01:29:22,800 --> 01:29:20,110
UFOs or whatever and you you know they

2111
01:29:24,689 --> 01:29:22,810
would say oh they're angels or Satan God

2112
01:29:26,490 --> 01:29:24,699
knows you can't you can't do it it just

2113
01:29:28,140 --> 01:29:26,500
I'll tell you what our sponsors our

2114
01:29:29,490 --> 01:29:28,150
sponsors are going to be panicking in

2115
01:29:31,320 --> 01:29:29,500
the streets if we don't let them have

2116
01:29:33,810 --> 01:29:31,330
their say we have Tim Beckley mystery

2117
01:29:42,220 --> 01:29:33,820
UFO with gene and Chris you're in the

2118
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2119
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[Music]

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hi this is nuclear physicist or jurist

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and Friedman you are listening to the

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parrot case the gold standard a

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01:34:04,680 --> 01:34:01,630
paranormal radio with gene and Chris

2221
01:34:06,600 --> 01:34:04,690
we're talking to Tim Beckley mr. UFO

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01:34:09,810 --> 01:34:06,610
Claudia Cunningham had joined us earlier

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01:34:12,720 --> 01:34:09,820
and we're looking into I guess the

2224
01:34:16,799 --> 01:34:12,730
impossibility of disclosure which I

2225
01:34:18,959 --> 01:34:16,809
guess okay gene and Chris let me tell

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01:34:20,939 --> 01:34:18,969
you why I think also tube there is no

2227
01:34:23,910 --> 01:34:20,949
disclosure because the dirty little

2228
01:34:25,950 --> 01:34:23,920
secret of ufology is that a lot of what

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01:34:29,100 --> 01:34:25,960
took place at least in the in the late

2230
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1940s and early 1950s and perhaps even

2231
01:34:37,950 --> 01:34:34,449
now to some extent was inspired by the

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01:34:40,439 --> 01:34:37,960
Nazi science listen to this okay they we

2233
01:34:42,060 --> 01:34:40,449
know that about 4000 excellent Nazi

2234
01:34:44,700 --> 01:34:42,070
scientists and engineers were brought

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over to the United States directly after

2236
01:34:50,009 --> 01:34:47,170
World War Two as part of a project that

2237
01:34:52,350 --> 01:34:50,019
paper clip the a lot of the documents

2238
01:34:54,270 --> 01:34:52,360
have been the Declassified to of the

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01:34:56,850 --> 01:34:54,280
staunchest supporters of the

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01:35:00,180 --> 01:34:56,860
extra-terrestrial Theory happened to be

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01:35:02,669 --> 01:35:00,190
professor Hermann Oberth and Wernher von

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01:35:06,959 --> 01:35:02,679
Braun this sounds like a repetition of

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01:35:09,660 --> 01:35:06,969
what had chimeric told us oh ok part of

2244
01:35:12,899 --> 01:35:09,670
the show but ok they were brought over

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01:35:15,959 --> 01:35:12,909
and where did they set up shop gene and

2246
01:35:17,759 --> 01:35:15,969
Chris in the state of New Mexico where

2247
01:35:22,970 --> 01:35:17,769
were most of the UFO sightings that took

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01:35:25,290 --> 01:35:22,980
place around the the late 1950s early

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01:35:28,200 --> 01:35:25,300
1900 the entire West Coast thing

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Washington down the south west southwest

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01:35:33,870 --> 01:35:31,300
the green fireballs you know so I

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01:35:36,750 --> 01:35:33,880
believe that this technology that was

2253
01:35:39,509 --> 01:35:36,760
being developed in Hitler's in Germany

2254
01:35:40,799 --> 01:35:39,519
that came from these séances and the

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01:35:43,470 --> 01:35:40,809
drawings and all the information that

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01:35:45,239 --> 01:35:43,480
came from automatic writing that they

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01:35:47,549 --> 01:35:45,249
bought this technology over here when

2258
01:35:49,140 --> 01:35:47,559
continuing to experiment with it how do

2259
01:35:51,810 --> 01:35:49,150
you explain that to the popular sense

2260
01:35:53,759 --> 01:35:51,820
we've got German not nothing yet you

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01:35:55,739 --> 01:35:53,769
know the scientist running around here

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01:35:57,060 --> 01:35:55,749
and we brought them over when some of

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01:35:59,910 --> 01:35:57,070
them should have certainly been in

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prison or or the

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god knows what right so better to

2266
01:36:08,310 --> 01:36:05,800
believe that none of this is is involved

2267
01:36:10,710 --> 01:36:08,320
with these these German reports and in

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01:36:12,990 --> 01:36:10,720
German projects that were being worked

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01:36:15,030 --> 01:36:13,000
on at that point better to believe that

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01:36:17,310 --> 01:36:15,040
they come from extraterrestrial

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01:36:20,310 --> 01:36:17,320
resources because the government would

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be and should be ashamed of the fact

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01:36:25,740 --> 01:36:21,670
that they were continuing this research

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01:36:27,420 --> 01:36:25,750
here under the skies of the v2 rocket

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01:36:30,570 --> 01:36:27,430
and so forth okay but that's the point

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01:36:32,220 --> 01:36:30,580
that we're raising okay so that's

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01:36:35,220 --> 01:36:32,230
therefore you're saying that maybe a

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01:36:37,890 --> 01:36:35,230
certain percentage of those UFO cases

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01:36:40,560 --> 01:36:37,900
from that particular error were

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01:36:42,930 --> 01:36:40,570
basically secret weapons well yes but

2281
01:36:45,180 --> 01:36:42,940
it's based on the information that came

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01:36:47,250 --> 01:36:45,190
through by a paranormal nature these

2283
01:36:49,560 --> 01:36:47,260
eight women and the other and the other

2284
01:36:52,110 --> 01:36:49,570
mediums that were working and later were

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01:36:54,810 --> 01:36:52,120
working for the German the Nazi

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01:36:56,940 --> 01:36:54,820
government right they were providing

2287
01:36:59,100 --> 01:36:56,950
them with information regarding this

2288
01:37:01,110 --> 01:36:59,110
technology so even though you say it's

2289
01:37:03,960 --> 01:37:01,120
earth made technology well it originated

2290
01:37:05,970 --> 01:37:03,970
from some other interdimensional source

2291
01:37:08,040 --> 01:37:05,980
now there's a little bit of information

2292
01:37:10,320 --> 01:37:08,050
that I I'm not an expert on this but

2293
01:37:12,120 --> 01:37:10,330
this is what I conclude I mean I just

2294
01:37:13,950 --> 01:37:12,130
look at this and I say well it's not a

2295
01:37:16,470 --> 01:37:13,960
heck of a lot of evidence you know that

2296
01:37:17,930 --> 01:37:16,480
these things are from outer space I mean

2297
01:37:20,610 --> 01:37:17,940
you could say that something you know

2298
01:37:22,890 --> 01:37:20,620
followed by a plane but that doesn't

2299
01:37:25,080 --> 01:37:22,900
tell you where it comes from right we

2300
01:37:27,390 --> 01:37:25,090
don't know who's in inside of these

2301
01:37:30,570 --> 01:37:27,400
things they they they come and they go

2302
01:37:33,900 --> 01:37:30,580
and they transmutate and change shape

2303
01:37:35,940 --> 01:37:33,910
and do whatever they want it's like

2304
01:37:37,080 --> 01:37:35,950
magic it's not an exit it's not

2305
01:37:38,940 --> 01:37:37,090
extraterrestrial if it was an

2306
01:37:41,760 --> 01:37:38,950
extraterrestrial race they would come

2307
01:37:43,710 --> 01:37:41,770
here they would leave some sort of a

2308
01:37:45,810 --> 01:37:43,720
message for us even if they wouldn't

2309
01:37:47,370 --> 01:37:45,820
confront us face to face remember I

2310
01:37:49,350 --> 01:37:47,380
think it was Carl Sagan who made this

2311
01:37:51,750 --> 01:37:49,360
record and they put it in one of the the

2312
01:37:53,880 --> 01:37:51,760
space probes and sent it out so if the

2313
01:37:55,230 --> 01:37:53,890
space probe was captured or anybody they

2314
01:37:58,260 --> 01:37:55,240
would find a record and be able to play

2315
01:38:00,360 --> 01:37:58,270
it is if anybody Terry I think Johnny be

2316
01:38:02,310 --> 01:38:00,370
good right was on there and I mean but

2317
01:38:03,930 --> 01:38:02,320
if that rocket came back here how many

2318
01:38:05,610 --> 01:38:03,940
play people could play the disc right

2319
01:38:07,500 --> 01:38:05,620
because can you imagine I mean the

2320
01:38:09,630 --> 01:38:07,510
record players innate to those that

2321
01:38:11,520 --> 01:38:09,640
people if they were they would develop

2322
01:38:13,170 --> 01:38:11,530
some other time of technology they would

2323
01:38:13,739 --> 01:38:13,180
just think it was a piece of plastic or

2324
01:38:15,539 --> 01:38:13,749
something

2325
01:38:17,849 --> 01:38:15,549
you know maybe use it as a frisbee and

2326
01:38:19,049 --> 01:38:17,859
toss it away who knows right but you

2327
01:38:20,489 --> 01:38:19,059
know it just seems to me that there's

2328
01:38:23,189 --> 01:38:20,499
enough evidence or something going on

2329
01:38:26,939 --> 01:38:23,199
and it's a very low-level phenomena it

2330
01:38:29,459 --> 01:38:26,949
takes place normally below treetop level

2331
01:38:32,669 --> 01:38:29,469
I mean look he had the Ted Phillips he

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01:38:35,069 --> 01:38:32,679
has a course that what is a Worley Manor

2333
01:38:36,629 --> 01:38:35,079
Worley Heights where he's the the

2334
01:38:38,849 --> 01:38:36,639
sightings and photographed it and filmed

2335
01:38:41,339 --> 01:38:38,859
it in the woods and we started after him

2336
01:38:43,409 --> 01:38:41,349
started out to him is just a typical UFO

2337
01:38:45,059 --> 01:38:43,419
sighting but a repeated phenomena and

2338
01:38:46,949 --> 01:38:45,069
then it got weirder and weirder and

2339
01:38:49,109 --> 01:38:46,959
weirder as it you know as the whole

2340
01:38:52,379 --> 01:38:49,119
thing went along and intent is one of

2341
01:38:54,239 --> 01:38:52,389
the few people who has a background in

2342
01:38:56,879 --> 01:38:54,249
this of course he worked with dr. Hynek

2343
01:38:58,829 --> 01:38:56,889
very closely has more UFO trace cases

2344
01:39:00,689 --> 01:38:58,839
and probably anybody in the world and

2345
01:39:03,179 --> 01:39:00,699
little by little he became to realize

2346
01:39:06,689 --> 01:39:03,189
that this is not from outer space this

2347
01:39:08,219 --> 01:39:06,699
is something more fringy than that and I

2348
01:39:10,949 --> 01:39:08,229
agree and plus I think we can all agree

2349
01:39:12,179 --> 01:39:10,959
that probably at some point 40 or 50

2350
01:39:13,859 --> 01:39:12,189
years ago

2351
01:39:16,859 --> 01:39:13,869
the military-industrial complex the

2352
01:39:20,039 --> 01:39:16,869
aerospace companies you know your your

2353
01:39:21,509 --> 01:39:20,049
NGO type technology companies you know

2354
01:39:23,819 --> 01:39:21,519
this stuff may have been farmed out to

2355
01:39:26,749 --> 01:39:23,829
them as a as a way of plausible

2356
01:39:29,459 --> 01:39:26,759
deniability and it may be on some level

2357
01:39:31,259 --> 01:39:29,469
there may be some sort of oversight by

2358
01:39:33,269 --> 01:39:31,269
the government but I I'm I have a

2359
01:39:36,479 --> 01:39:33,279
feeling in a suspicion that a lot of

2360
01:39:38,489 --> 01:39:36,489
this information isn't even held within

2361
01:39:41,249 --> 01:39:38,499
government I think that it's your

2362
01:39:43,469 --> 01:39:41,259
aerospace companies that may have have

2363
01:39:45,029 --> 01:39:43,479
the lion's share of this type of data so

2364
01:39:47,009 --> 01:39:45,039
that would be a way for the government

2365
01:39:52,409 --> 01:39:47,019
to say hey we don't know anything and

2366
01:39:54,299 --> 01:39:52,419
you can't do an foi foi a request to you

2367
01:39:57,059 --> 01:39:54,309
know locutor McDonnell Douglas or Bolin

2368
01:40:01,859 --> 01:39:57,069
I mean you take even the the supposed to

2369
01:40:03,959 --> 01:40:01,869
crash at Roswell now if you look at the

2370
01:40:06,509 --> 01:40:03,969
description of what actually you know

2371
01:40:08,339 --> 01:40:06,519
landed a crash there this does not even

2372
01:40:09,449 --> 01:40:08,349
sound I mean the thing was so

2373
01:40:12,269 --> 01:40:09,459
lightweight how could that have possibly

2374
01:40:14,789 --> 01:40:12,279
traveled with occupants across the the

2375
01:40:16,979 --> 01:40:14,799
heavens you know and and a piece of

2376
01:40:20,669 --> 01:40:16,989
balsa wood was strange writing on and in

2377
01:40:22,349 --> 01:40:20,679
some aluminum type foil that flattens

2378
01:40:24,359 --> 01:40:22,359
out by itself when you try to scrunch it

2379
01:40:26,370 --> 01:40:24,369
up that doesn't sound like technology

2380
01:40:28,740 --> 01:40:26,380
that's a million

2381
01:40:31,350 --> 01:40:28,750
years ahead of us it doesn't even sound

2382
01:40:33,569 --> 01:40:31,360
like it's fifty years ahead of us to be

2383
01:40:36,479 --> 01:40:33,579
honest I mean we've gone be you know be

2384
01:40:39,479 --> 01:40:36,489
on that computer and digital technology

2385
01:40:42,240 --> 01:40:39,489
so that to me is a poor example of a

2386
01:40:45,720 --> 01:40:42,250
craft from outer space I don't believe

2387
01:40:47,760 --> 01:40:45,730
it was a balloon or anything else there

2388
01:40:49,589 --> 01:40:47,770
but I I do believe that and a few of

2389
01:40:52,290 --> 01:40:49,599
these other crashes may have been

2390
01:40:54,089 --> 01:40:52,300
something that these German scientists

2391
01:40:55,709 --> 01:40:54,099
we're working on better you believe that

2392
01:40:58,500 --> 01:40:55,719
it comes from out there than the thing

2393
01:41:00,419 --> 01:40:58,510
that it comes from former scientist and

2394
01:41:02,280 --> 01:41:00,429
engineers from Nazi Germany anyway

2395
01:41:04,709 --> 01:41:02,290
that's that's my conclusion you know any

2396
01:41:06,450 --> 01:41:04,719
if you say proof well you know a proof

2397
01:41:09,270 --> 01:41:06,460
is in the eye of the beholder in this

2398
01:41:11,430 --> 01:41:09,280
field what's proof to you may not be

2399
01:41:12,959 --> 01:41:11,440
proof to me right you're preaching to

2400
01:41:14,819 --> 01:41:12,969
the choir as far as I'm concerned I've

2401
01:41:16,830 --> 01:41:14,829
been you know trying to get this point

2402
01:41:18,319 --> 01:41:16,840
across for years I really think that we

2403
01:41:21,300 --> 01:41:18,329
need to exhaust all the closed system

2404
01:41:23,129 --> 01:41:21,310
potentials before we get self-important

2405
01:41:25,050 --> 01:41:23,139
enough to jump off planet and I know

2406
01:41:26,970 --> 01:41:25,060
many of our listeners they've heard me

2407
01:41:29,660 --> 01:41:26,980
say that it sound like a broken record

2408
01:41:31,709 --> 01:41:29,670
but you know there's a lot of other

2409
01:41:35,160 --> 01:41:31,719
possibilities that are being swept under

2410
01:41:37,890 --> 01:41:35,170
the board and and and you know bitchslap

2411
01:41:40,080 --> 01:41:37,900
by the extra-terrestrial hypothesis yeah

2412
01:41:43,020 --> 01:41:40,090
well you know I think jaded thinkers you

2413
01:41:45,060 --> 01:41:43,030
have a pretty active forum there what do

2414
01:41:46,740 --> 01:41:45,070
what do the listeners say about this

2415
01:41:49,379 --> 01:41:46,750
through they get out of your case for

2416
01:41:53,339 --> 01:41:49,389
you know coming up with other series and

2417
01:41:57,479 --> 01:41:53,349
ideas or are they anti extraterrestrials

2418
01:42:00,450 --> 01:41:57,489
or what seems to be the the pretty

2419
01:42:03,030 --> 01:42:00,460
evenly split I think a lot of folks are

2420
01:42:04,589 --> 01:42:03,040
open-minded although they say they they

2421
01:42:06,569 --> 01:42:04,599
feel the most logical explanation would

2422
01:42:09,060 --> 01:42:06,579
be something off planet coming here

2423
01:42:11,550 --> 01:42:09,070
others are the exact opposite they say

2424
01:42:13,620 --> 01:42:11,560
well you know they agree with me and

2425
01:42:15,750 --> 01:42:13,630
that we need to exhaust all the other

2426
01:42:18,330 --> 01:42:15,760
possibilities before we jump off planets

2427
01:42:22,620 --> 01:42:18,340
so I think it's very healthy very

2428
01:42:25,200 --> 01:42:22,630
open-minded and and lively everybody is

2429
01:42:28,050 --> 01:42:25,210
able to debate their points I think for

2430
01:42:31,800 --> 01:42:28,060
the most part effectively well you know

2431
01:42:35,339 --> 01:42:31,810
the the extra-terrestrial hypothesis has

2432
01:42:37,290 --> 01:42:35,349
had 50 or more years of being it pushed

2433
01:42:39,360 --> 01:42:37,300
in front of the public so obviously

2434
01:42:41,930 --> 01:42:39,370
that's the the

2435
01:42:45,110 --> 01:42:41,940
the concept that most people can

2436
01:42:47,400 --> 01:42:45,120
understand although now with some of the

2437
01:42:51,120 --> 01:42:47,410
paranormal or radio shows like the

2438
01:42:53,430 --> 01:42:51,130
podcast and some of the TV programs that

2439
01:42:55,650 --> 01:42:53,440
people are beginning to realize it may

2440
01:42:59,280 --> 01:42:55,660
be these things aren't from the Dark

2441
01:43:00,900 --> 01:42:59,290
Side of the Moon you know I did a an

2442
01:43:03,600 --> 01:43:00,910
article that just came out into the

2443
01:43:07,740 --> 01:43:03,610
current issue of open minds magazine and

2444
01:43:10,710 --> 01:43:07,750
it was about the last of the UFO

2445
01:43:14,700 --> 01:43:10,720
contacting is Howard Menzer now you know

2446
01:43:18,360 --> 01:43:14,710
I have to to some degree blame Howard

2447
01:43:20,700 --> 01:43:18,370
manager and the host of the the first

2448
01:43:23,760 --> 01:43:20,710
all night paranormal show long John and

2449
01:43:26,730 --> 01:43:23,770
Neville for getting me involved in all

2450
01:43:28,140 --> 01:43:26,740
of this because I used to stay up until

2451
01:43:30,480 --> 01:43:28,150
five o'clock in the morning when I

2452
01:43:32,580 --> 01:43:30,490
should have been sleeping to get up in

2453
01:43:35,130 --> 01:43:32,590
time to go to school the next day but

2454
01:43:38,880 --> 01:43:35,140
now I was listening to Long John on the

2455
01:43:41,610 --> 01:43:38,890
wor and hearing the the tales of

2456
01:43:44,490 --> 01:43:41,620
wonderment and enlightenment that's why

2457
01:43:46,950 --> 01:43:44,500
I'm in radio today literally speaking by

2458
01:43:49,890 --> 01:43:46,960
listening to Long John Neville as a kid

2459
01:43:52,650 --> 01:43:49,900
and I came up with the crazy idea gee

2460
01:43:55,320 --> 01:43:52,660
I'd like to do that too I really like

2461
01:43:58,440 --> 01:43:55,330
that kind of thing for let me continue

2462
01:44:00,810 --> 01:43:58,450
therefore I'm gonna do this I'm going to

2463
01:44:02,310 --> 01:44:00,820
grow up and become a radio broadcaster

2464
01:44:04,320 --> 01:44:02,320
of course my parents looked at me and

2465
01:44:06,480 --> 01:44:04,330
said you want you get a real job I think

2466
01:44:08,820 --> 01:44:06,490
nowadays after listening to the show

2467
01:44:11,610 --> 01:44:08,830
there's still people who are suggesting

2468
01:44:13,800 --> 01:44:11,620
to me Jean why don't you get a real job

2469
01:44:16,170 --> 01:44:13,810
this is the real statement here that we

2470
01:44:25,640 --> 01:44:16,180
have Tim Beckley mr. UFO with Gene and

2471
01:44:30,399 --> 01:44:27,279
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2495
01:45:22,089 --> 01:45:20,480
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2496
01:45:23,229 --> 01:45:22,099
public currency is a greater menace to

2497
01:45:25,000 --> 01:45:23,239
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2498
01:45:26,140 --> 01:45:25,010
standing army Ted Anderson on placing a

2499
01:45:28,149 --> 01:45:26,150
free silver dollar in a book that

2500
01:45:31,419 --> 01:45:28,159
explains our monetary system call for

2501
01:45:34,540 --> 01:45:31,429
your copy 800 686 to 237 it's time to

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01:45:37,710 --> 01:45:34,550
understand the system call 866 2 2 3 7

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that's 800 686 to 237

2504
01:45:51,870 --> 01:45:47,560
welcome back to the para cast the gold

2505
01:45:58,510 --> 01:45:51,880
standard of paranormal radio and now

2506
01:46:01,210 --> 01:45:58,520
here's Jane Steinberg with Jean and

2507
01:46:02,950 --> 01:46:01,220
Chris we have Tim Beck Lee mr. UFO

2508
01:46:07,330 --> 01:46:02,960
earlier we had Claudia Cunningham

2509
01:46:09,820 --> 01:46:07,340
telling us about her stories about

2510
01:46:13,690 --> 01:46:09,830
strange paranormal events in and around

2511
01:46:15,910 --> 01:46:13,700
the burial spot of charles fort now i

2512
01:46:18,520 --> 01:46:15,920
wanted to bring up something here we of

2513
01:46:20,050 --> 01:46:18,530
course didn't have much time to warn our

2514
01:46:23,520 --> 01:46:20,060
listeners of your presence your return

2515
01:46:27,130 --> 01:46:23,530
presence Tim but we have somebody called

2516
01:46:29,290 --> 01:46:27,140
Poulter worst you know who right who

2517
01:46:30,880 --> 01:46:29,300
eats liver worse for lunch or something

2518
01:46:34,210 --> 01:46:30,890
or for brunch on Sundays you know that's

2519
01:46:36,370 --> 01:46:34,220
how it goes who wrote a very very long

2520
01:46:37,390 --> 01:46:36,380
letter with a lot of comments I'm not

2521
01:46:39,760 --> 01:46:37,400
going to read all this because it's

2522
01:46:43,870 --> 01:46:39,770
going to take several minutes and mostly

2523
01:46:47,590 --> 01:46:43,880
it is this particular segment okay I

2524
01:46:49,270 --> 01:46:47,600
just read that mr. Beck Lee seems to

2525
01:46:51,820 --> 01:46:49,280
have had a possible poltergeist

2526
01:46:54,430 --> 01:46:51,830
experience as you can see from my

2527
01:46:57,280 --> 01:46:54,440
nickname I'm a bit intrigued by the

2528
01:46:59,170 --> 01:46:57,290
possibility of poltergeists so it's just

2529
01:47:01,330 --> 01:46:59,180
a lot of questions how old were you what

2530
01:47:03,700 --> 01:47:01,340
happened at cetera et cetera it's a very

2531
01:47:05,890 --> 01:47:03,710
long question and rather than read it

2532
01:47:09,370 --> 01:47:05,900
want to tell the story okay

2533
01:47:11,800 --> 01:47:09,380
well actually the paranormal is part of

2534
01:47:13,300 --> 01:47:11,810
our family background branch Tiger

2535
01:47:15,850 --> 01:47:13,310
actually wrote this up in one of his

2536
01:47:17,980 --> 01:47:15,860
books recently and in turn I told it on

2537
01:47:21,100 --> 01:47:17,990
the radio I it doesn't know if I wanted

2538
01:47:22,960 --> 01:47:21,110
it really to be aired but it's okay I've

2539
01:47:25,960 --> 01:47:22,970
mentioned it now a couple of times my

2540
01:47:29,170 --> 01:47:25,970
grandfather on my father's side of the

2541
01:47:32,100 --> 01:47:29,180
family actually had a sighting or an

2542
01:47:34,990 --> 01:47:32,110
encounter with a headless horseman

2543
01:47:39,690 --> 01:47:35,000
behind the barn where he lived on a farm

2544
01:47:42,790 --> 01:47:39,700
in Kentucky now I said that it was the

2545
01:47:46,330 --> 01:47:42,800
probably a Confederate there had been a

2546
01:47:49,450 --> 01:47:46,340
lot of civil war taking place battles

2547
01:47:52,590 --> 01:47:49,460
taking place near there I was told that

2548
01:47:54,970 --> 01:47:52,600
it was probably the the ghost of a

2549
01:47:56,560 --> 01:47:54,980
Confederate soldier who had been

2550
01:47:58,330 --> 01:47:56,570
beheaded by cannonballs

2551
01:48:02,410 --> 01:47:58,340
to that extent but I can't prove that

2552
01:48:05,380 --> 01:48:02,420
that's just the family story also when I

2553
01:48:08,620 --> 01:48:05,390
was three years old my life might have

2554
01:48:09,640 --> 01:48:08,630
been saved by some sort of spiritual

2555
01:48:12,640 --> 01:48:09,650
being

2556
01:48:14,620 --> 01:48:12,650
my mother had asthma and emphysema real

2557
01:48:16,450 --> 01:48:14,630
bad and in those days well she met my

2558
01:48:19,110 --> 01:48:16,460
father in Kentucky on a trip there

2559
01:48:21,190 --> 01:48:19,120
people would go to the Bluegrass State

2560
01:48:23,650 --> 01:48:21,200
because it was supposed to be good for

2561
01:48:26,200 --> 01:48:23,660
breathing and I don't think that applies

2562
01:48:28,900 --> 01:48:26,210
anymore but it was the place to go if

2563
01:48:30,940 --> 01:48:28,910
you had a respiratory problems for

2564
01:48:32,560 --> 01:48:30,950
vacations and also my mother would go

2565
01:48:35,590 --> 01:48:32,570
there and she made some friends and she

2566
01:48:39,010 --> 01:48:35,600
was introduced but became my father of

2567
01:48:41,080 --> 01:48:39,020
course and one day there they used to

2568
01:48:42,730 --> 01:48:41,090
drive they had an Oldsmobile they always

2569
01:48:45,040 --> 01:48:42,740
pulled all the deals for some reason and

2570
01:48:47,110 --> 01:48:45,050
but the drive took about maybe three or

2571
01:48:48,430 --> 01:48:47,120
four days and I guess this one took

2572
01:48:51,490 --> 01:48:48,440
their lure a little bit longer than

2573
01:48:54,640 --> 01:48:51,500
usual because they had encountered some

2574
01:48:56,230 --> 01:48:54,650
fairly solid weather they had made up a

2575
01:48:58,030 --> 01:48:56,240
little area the backs of my mother and

2576
01:49:00,010 --> 01:48:58,040
my father Joe wrote in the front seat in

2577
01:49:02,620 --> 01:49:00,020
the car and they made up a little area

2578
01:49:05,740 --> 01:49:02,630
for me in the back and I slept there and

2579
01:49:07,870 --> 01:49:05,750
play with my toys and little aliens and

2580
01:49:09,670 --> 01:49:07,880
stuff like that I guess you know anyway

2581
01:49:11,650 --> 01:49:09,680
a one night as they were reaching that

2582
01:49:14,770 --> 01:49:11,660
close to the destination they had come

2583
01:49:16,990 --> 01:49:14,780
across a very thick a cloudbank and my

2584
01:49:18,700 --> 01:49:17,000
father was anxious to get to the

2585
01:49:20,950 --> 01:49:18,710
destination wherever they were staying

2586
01:49:24,970 --> 01:49:20,960
right and probably his brother's house

2587
01:49:27,370 --> 01:49:24,980
and anyway he was persistent in driving

2588
01:49:28,840 --> 01:49:27,380
but my mother who was more of a

2589
01:49:30,070 --> 01:49:28,850
controlling factor in the family was

2590
01:49:33,940 --> 01:49:30,080
more persistent that he immediately

2591
01:49:36,130 --> 01:49:33,950
stopped so he stopped and pulled pulled

2592
01:49:40,750 --> 01:49:36,140
over to what he thought was the side of

2593
01:49:45,160 --> 01:49:40,760
the road the next morning when the Sun

2594
01:49:48,040 --> 01:49:45,170
came up and the fog started to break it

2595
01:49:51,850 --> 01:49:48,050
turned out that the Oldsmobile had come

2596
01:49:55,000 --> 01:49:51,860
to a halt within a foot or so of a cliff

2597
01:49:57,220 --> 01:49:55,010
you know the side of the road deep

2598
01:50:00,430 --> 01:49:57,230
ravine and if they had gone another foot

2599
01:50:02,320 --> 01:50:00,440
or two I would not be here to be a guest

2600
01:50:04,390 --> 01:50:02,330
probably for the fifth time I think on

2601
01:50:08,740 --> 01:50:04,400
the pair cast for the first time as a

2602
01:50:10,540 --> 01:50:08,750
matter of fact there you go so there is

2603
01:50:13,629 --> 01:50:10,550
some evidence that maybe there was some

2604
01:50:16,390 --> 01:50:13,639
Virgil force behind that I I do think to

2605
01:50:20,350 --> 01:50:16,400
some degree that I have been pushed to

2606
01:50:23,560 --> 01:50:20,360
continue in this field because this is

2607
01:50:26,530 --> 01:50:23,570
an insane thing to do as you guys can

2608
01:50:29,189 --> 01:50:26,540
relate to certainly to think that you

2609
01:50:33,609 --> 01:50:29,199
can make a living off of this or even

2610
01:50:37,120 --> 01:50:33,619
persist in a in a in a sane situation

2611
01:50:40,000 --> 01:50:37,130
after doing this for 40-plus years is

2612
01:50:42,100 --> 01:50:40,010
pretty obvious but also the house that I

2613
01:50:44,910 --> 01:50:42,110
I lived in at the time which was in New

2614
01:50:48,490 --> 01:50:44,920
Jersey had told you guys phenomena

2615
01:50:52,030 --> 01:50:48,500
lights went on and off doors would open

2616
01:50:53,649 --> 01:50:52,040
and close and I remember one time I was

2617
01:50:55,720 --> 01:50:53,659
at the kitchen table this would have

2618
01:50:58,089 --> 01:50:55,730
been when I was about maybe 6 or 7 years

2619
01:51:01,030 --> 01:50:58,099
old I remember one time being at the

2620
01:51:03,069 --> 01:51:01,040
kitchen table and there was a big China

2621
01:51:06,220 --> 01:51:03,079
where you know plate and it slid across

2622
01:51:07,750 --> 01:51:06,230
the table and it fell onto the floor but

2623
01:51:09,399 --> 01:51:07,760
it didn't break I can't say that it

2624
01:51:11,500 --> 01:51:09,409
floated I don't even remember chains to

2625
01:51:13,209 --> 01:51:11,510
be honestly I'm not gonna make it up but

2626
01:51:14,500 --> 01:51:13,219
it didn't break and that was pretty

2627
01:51:16,750 --> 01:51:14,510
unusual

2628
01:51:19,990 --> 01:51:16,760
also a one time we heard the sound my

2629
01:51:21,720 --> 01:51:20,000
mother and I heard the sound of a baby

2630
01:51:22,930 --> 01:51:21,730
crying and this was in the middle of

2631
01:51:25,720 --> 01:51:22,940
winter

2632
01:51:28,270 --> 01:51:25,730
okay so we followed the sound of the

2633
01:51:30,850 --> 01:51:28,280
other crying and it was coming from the

2634
01:51:34,060 --> 01:51:30,860
area outside the back door we opened the

2635
01:51:37,629 --> 01:51:34,070
back door and there in the snow were

2636
01:51:41,530 --> 01:51:37,639
what appeared to be little bootie prints

2637
01:51:43,000 --> 01:51:41,540
right shoes of a young child okay so we

2638
01:51:45,100 --> 01:51:43,010
followed it or at least my mother did to

2639
01:51:47,200 --> 01:51:45,110
the to the back gate and it seemed to

2640
01:51:49,540 --> 01:51:47,210
disappeared well now other people have

2641
01:51:51,790 --> 01:51:49,550
said over the years well it was just an

2642
01:51:53,919 --> 01:51:51,800
animal or a cat or something and I would

2643
01:51:56,530 --> 01:51:53,929
normally say well that's that's a good

2644
01:51:59,069 --> 01:51:56,540
possibility okay but here's the kicker

2645
01:52:04,299 --> 01:51:59,079
here several years after that my

2646
01:52:06,459 --> 01:52:04,309
godmother was babysitting me now my she

2647
01:52:07,990 --> 01:52:06,469
was a very staunch Catholic and my

2648
01:52:10,390 --> 01:52:08,000
mother would never bring up the the

2649
01:52:11,140 --> 01:52:10,400
ghost of the subject a ghost or anything

2650
01:52:14,200 --> 01:52:11,150
like that

2651
01:52:16,359 --> 01:52:14,210
so I don't think her her mind was you

2652
01:52:19,240 --> 01:52:16,369
know relating to that type of thing

2653
01:52:22,179 --> 01:52:19,250
anyway while she was babysitting me she

2654
01:52:24,390 --> 01:52:22,189
heard the sound of a baby crying

2655
01:52:27,640 --> 01:52:24,400
she went to where it appeared to be

2656
01:52:29,109 --> 01:52:27,650
coming from now there was a door in our

2657
01:52:31,540 --> 01:52:29,119
apartment if you open it there was a

2658
01:52:33,219 --> 01:52:31,550
just a little area there a couple of

2659
01:52:36,549 --> 01:52:33,229
square feet and then there was the

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entrance to my grandparents apartment

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they was upstairs so you'd open this the

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outer door and you need to walk up

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01:52:44,649 --> 01:52:42,079
anyway standing in that little area

2664
01:52:48,850 --> 01:52:44,659
between the two doorways was a woman

2665
01:52:51,339 --> 01:52:48,860
with a baby in its arm well I got

2666
01:52:52,569 --> 01:52:51,349
another kind of freaks I guess or didn't

2667
01:52:54,819 --> 01:52:52,579
know but there was you know like

2668
01:52:56,589 --> 01:52:54,829
somebody in the house it shouldn't you

2669
01:52:58,779 --> 01:52:56,599
know be there anyway she closed the door

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01:53:01,029 --> 01:52:58,789
and then I guess when she got her nerve

2671
01:53:03,459 --> 01:53:01,039
up she opened it again in the apparition

2672
01:53:05,379 --> 01:53:03,469
or whatever it was was gone well my

2673
01:53:09,129 --> 01:53:05,389
sister did some investigation years

2674
01:53:13,330 --> 01:53:09,139
later and found out that there

2675
01:53:14,890 --> 01:53:13,340
apparently was a during the flu epidemic

2676
01:53:19,060 --> 01:53:14,900
I think it was dick theory around about

2677
01:53:22,359 --> 01:53:19,070
oh just after World War one that would

2678
01:53:24,370 --> 01:53:22,369
have been like 1917 1918 billions or

2679
01:53:26,439 --> 01:53:24,380
something like 48 million people died

2680
01:53:28,359 --> 01:53:26,449
all over the planet I know this because

2681
01:53:30,040 --> 01:53:28,369
one of the magazines I edited over the

2682
01:53:32,469 --> 01:53:30,050
years was called front page disasters

2683
01:53:34,449 --> 01:53:32,479
that I'm really dark about it anyway is

2684
01:53:37,149 --> 01:53:34,459
supposedly from what my sister had

2685
01:53:39,879 --> 01:53:37,159
learned during her research a mother and

2686
01:53:41,919 --> 01:53:39,889
their a child the daughter had died

2687
01:53:44,949 --> 01:53:41,929
there during the epidemic and they had

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had awake in the house and the baby or

2689
01:53:49,569 --> 01:53:46,939
the child was at its mother's arms and

2690
01:53:52,239 --> 01:53:49,579
the open coffin true story I don't know

2691
01:53:54,370 --> 01:53:52,249
that's the the family legend and lore

2692
01:53:56,709 --> 01:53:54,380
I'll tell you what I have a lot more

2693
01:54:00,179 --> 01:53:56,719
questions I noticed from poultra worst

2694
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I'd like to ask them with regard to

2695
01:54:06,339 --> 01:54:02,959
poltergeists what about the so-called

2696
01:54:09,520 --> 01:54:06,349
psychokinetic teenager theory that there

2697
01:54:13,060 --> 01:54:09,530
is energy being presented by a teenager

2698
01:54:15,879 --> 01:54:13,070
in the house most always a teenage girl

2699
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as opposed to a team of my sister would

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have been eight years older than I was

2701
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she is now deceased so she is she's in

2702
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14 or 15 years old

2703
01:54:32,219 --> 01:54:29,780
and you know she had even them after she

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got married and moved into her home

2705
01:54:39,149 --> 01:54:35,439
place and had a family

2706
01:54:42,509 --> 01:54:39,159
retained it interest in the weird type

2707
01:54:45,239 --> 01:54:42,519
of stuff and I had some experiences of

2708
01:54:47,009 --> 01:54:45,249
her own and they used to follow her to

2709
01:54:48,989 --> 01:54:47,019
some degree from place to place

2710
01:54:52,979 --> 01:54:48,999
she had objects disappear and reappear

2711
01:54:55,229 --> 01:54:52,989
as well but she was long over you know a

2712
01:54:57,299 --> 01:54:55,239
big a teenager at that point so I think

2713
01:55:00,540 --> 01:54:57,309
the implication here from Poulter worst

2714
01:55:02,520 --> 01:55:00,550
is that these are staged events that the

2715
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teenager is doing this maybe

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subconsciously - well I you know have a

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prank or something but I want to get

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into yeah Tim there's about three or

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four other implications in that question

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which are regarding speaking of staged

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events and hoaxes and I want to ask you

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about that we have Tim Beckley mr. UFO

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2831
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Buckley mr. UFO on the para cast with

2832
02:00:18,030 --> 02:00:15,970
Gene and Chris so another question from

2833
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Holder worse one of our paranormal

2834
02:00:27,180 --> 02:00:23,170
novices okay

2835
02:00:28,890 --> 02:00:27,190
speaking of staged events and hoaxes

2836
02:00:30,630 --> 02:00:28,900
mixed up with what seemed to be real

2837
02:00:33,210 --> 02:00:30,640
events I think the implication here is

2838
02:00:35,120 --> 02:00:33,220
that maybe we see certain figures in the

2839
02:00:38,070 --> 02:00:35,130
UFO field have a genuine encounter

2840
02:00:40,350 --> 02:00:38,080
unusual paranormal encounter and they

2841
02:00:42,120 --> 02:00:40,360
get attention as a result so they want

2842
02:00:46,080 --> 02:00:42,130
more than a 15 minutes of fame they want

2843
02:00:50,160 --> 02:00:46,090
30 minutes so suddenly they shall we say

2844
02:00:52,950 --> 02:00:50,170
fabricate further incidents I'll go

2845
02:00:55,440 --> 02:00:52,960
along with that no doubt about that yeah

2846
02:00:57,930 --> 02:00:55,450
so again that causes another great

2847
02:00:59,910 --> 02:00:57,940
degree of confusion in the field well

2848
02:01:01,230 --> 02:00:59,920
and I started telling actually the about

2849
02:01:03,120 --> 02:01:01,240
the article that I wrote for open minds

2850
02:01:05,490 --> 02:01:03,130
magazine about Howard manager and he

2851
02:01:07,980 --> 02:01:05,500
would be the prime example of this and I

2852
02:01:10,770 --> 02:01:07,990
guess you you knew Howard to some degree

2853
02:01:13,050 --> 02:01:10,780
I guess anybody who was part of saw

2854
02:01:15,900 --> 02:01:13,060
serologies and lived on the coast he was

2855
02:01:18,660 --> 02:01:15,910
the he was the George Adamski of the

2856
02:01:20,940 --> 02:01:18,670
metropolitan area of they called him the

2857
02:01:21,330 --> 02:01:20,950
Jersey Adamski from New Jersey there you

2858
02:01:24,270 --> 02:01:21,340
go

2859
02:01:26,670 --> 02:01:24,280
and now I knew Howard and you know he

2860
02:01:28,710 --> 02:01:26,680
could tell a story and a half but on the

2861
02:01:30,810 --> 02:01:28,720
other hand you know he said that he was

2862
02:01:33,000 --> 02:01:30,820
meeting these people in his he lived on

2863
02:01:34,320 --> 02:01:33,010
a farm grew up on a farm in this parish

2864
02:01:35,850 --> 02:01:34,330
they actually moved from Brooklyn that

2865
02:01:38,310 --> 02:01:35,860
you know and jee-m'nee was like 10 years

2866
02:01:41,010 --> 02:01:38,320
old they moved to this farm for a lot of

2867
02:01:43,050 --> 02:01:41,020
I want to move from Brooklyn yeah there

2868
02:01:44,220 --> 02:01:43,060
you go I guess some of you follow just

2869
02:01:46,080 --> 02:01:44,230
where in those days I don't know if it's

2870
02:01:47,880 --> 02:01:46,090
a condo well Harold Eggland's is over

2871
02:01:50,520 --> 02:01:47,890
there now he's got his abduction group

2872
02:01:52,350 --> 02:01:50,530
but anyway so Howard started having

2873
02:01:53,970 --> 02:01:52,360
these experiences in fact one of them

2874
02:01:56,970 --> 02:01:53,980
was meeting this beautiful woman from

2875
02:01:58,980 --> 02:01:56,980
Venus on a rock you know like a quarter

2876
02:01:59,880 --> 02:01:58,990
mile away from this house nearest stream

2877
02:02:02,670 --> 02:01:59,890
and so forth and

2878
02:02:04,740 --> 02:02:02,680
beautiful and angelic and calm about a

2879
02:02:07,170 --> 02:02:04,750
you know how great the beings were from

2880
02:02:08,910 --> 02:02:07,180
you know around the cosmos and how we

2881
02:02:10,680 --> 02:02:08,920
can have a better you know the state of

2882
02:02:13,650 --> 02:02:10,690
life if we just you know turn their way

2883
02:02:16,470 --> 02:02:13,660
evil ways into goodness and sweetness

2884
02:02:19,050 --> 02:02:16,480
and in light and in fact his brother

2885
02:02:22,590 --> 02:02:19,060
also had a few encounters but not as

2886
02:02:24,360 --> 02:02:22,600
close as Howard supposedly did now the

2887
02:02:27,450 --> 02:02:24,370
thing is people say well that's a bunch

2888
02:02:29,310 --> 02:02:27,460
of nonsense but I related my article

2889
02:02:31,470 --> 02:02:29,320
several different things I remember I

2890
02:02:32,970 --> 02:02:31,480
had gotten a call one afternoon I was

2891
02:02:35,520 --> 02:02:32,980
living in New Jersey at the time and I

2892
02:02:37,350 --> 02:02:35,530
was kind of the hub of it was me and a

2893
02:02:39,570 --> 02:02:37,360
fella by name ed Babcock and he was

2894
02:02:41,340 --> 02:02:39,580
running the New Jersey Association on

2895
02:02:45,120 --> 02:02:41,350
aerial phenomena and I had the

2896
02:02:46,980 --> 02:02:45,130
interplanetary in News Service right as

2897
02:02:50,250 --> 02:02:46,990
he was sending you the press releases

2898
02:02:51,720 --> 02:02:50,260
yeah yeah I guess I was I swallowed that

2899
02:02:53,700 --> 02:02:51,730
well you know I'm so also always a

2900
02:02:56,160 --> 02:02:53,710
fascinated by the shaver mystery in the

2901
02:02:58,500 --> 02:02:56,170
Inner Earth I had done a book the great

2902
02:02:59,880 --> 02:02:58,510
Barker published you know when I was in

2903
02:03:01,770 --> 02:02:59,890
the third grade I had to do a book

2904
02:03:04,590 --> 02:03:01,780
review of a gene and I didn't want to do

2905
02:03:07,200 --> 02:03:04,600
Silas mother or the third grade book

2906
02:03:09,120 --> 02:03:07,210
reviews yeah yeah third grade well why

2907
02:03:11,010 --> 02:03:09,130
not you know so what book did I pick

2908
02:03:14,550 --> 02:03:11,020
they do too much about flying saucers

2909
02:03:16,920 --> 02:03:14,560
it's the only B+ I ever talked who

2910
02:03:18,600 --> 02:03:16,930
written you know a review at the time a

2911
02:03:20,040 --> 02:03:18,610
little did I know of course that I would

2912
02:03:21,900 --> 02:03:20,050
become friends with the great years

2913
02:03:24,060 --> 02:03:21,910
later and that he would publish my first

2914
02:03:25,440 --> 02:03:24,070
three books you know I have a lot of

2915
02:03:27,720 --> 02:03:25,450
these synchronicities I think

2916
02:03:29,910 --> 02:03:27,730
synchronicities tie-in with this is as

2917
02:03:32,010 --> 02:03:29,920
well it's another way of showing us

2918
02:03:33,900 --> 02:03:32,020
whatever these energies or energies are

2919
02:03:35,670 --> 02:03:33,910
if I want to really focus on this so for

2920
02:03:37,560 --> 02:03:35,680
example might be Howard manager has some

2921
02:03:40,200 --> 02:03:37,570
kind of unusual encounter well yeah well

2922
02:03:42,150 --> 02:03:40,210
yes he did okay so uh I had gotten this

2923
02:03:44,160 --> 02:03:42,160
call one day from a gentleman who had

2924
02:03:46,260 --> 02:03:44,170
heard Howard several times on the lawn

2925
02:03:47,550 --> 02:03:46,270
John Neville show so he didn't know

2926
02:03:49,080 --> 02:03:47,560
Howard and he didn't particularly want

2927
02:03:51,570 --> 02:03:49,090
to meet Howard but he decided one night

2928
02:03:53,760 --> 02:03:51,580
he was going to drive out to this farm

2929
02:03:56,100 --> 02:03:53,770
in High Bridge New Jersey so he drove

2930
02:03:59,100 --> 02:03:56,110
out as he listened to Long John on the

2931
02:04:01,500 --> 02:03:59,110
car radio he got there parked his car in

2932
02:04:03,600 --> 02:04:01,510
the field behind the Howard house which

2933
02:04:05,160 --> 02:04:03,610
was quite the expansive it's now

2934
02:04:06,720 --> 02:04:05,170
apartment building I understand the

2935
02:04:08,430 --> 02:04:06,730
fellow who had its where did Jersey was

2936
02:04:08,760 --> 02:04:08,440
up there recently it's all developed of

2937
02:04:10,980 --> 02:04:08,770
course

2938
02:04:13,140 --> 02:04:10,990
anyway this fellow who called me parked

2939
02:04:13,830 --> 02:04:13,150
in his car back there and he's listening

2940
02:04:15,720 --> 02:04:13,840
to long

2941
02:04:17,760 --> 02:04:15,730
on the radio and he's looking up in

2942
02:04:19,800 --> 02:04:17,770
wonderment at the night sky with all the

2943
02:04:22,050 --> 02:04:19,810
stars and so forth all of a sudden a

2944
02:04:24,359 --> 02:04:22,060
Long John is saying good night right

2945
02:04:26,070 --> 02:04:24,369
the show is over well he's had you know

2946
02:04:27,810 --> 02:04:26,080
four hours or three and a half or four

2947
02:04:29,879 --> 02:04:27,820
hours of time that he can't account for

2948
02:04:31,379 --> 02:04:29,889
a finger as well maybe he went to sleep

2949
02:04:32,669 --> 02:04:31,389
or something like that just passed out

2950
02:04:35,280 --> 02:04:32,679
because it was late at night so he

2951
02:04:36,720 --> 02:04:35,290
drives back to his his home I think he

2952
02:04:38,640 --> 02:04:36,730
lived in Edison really at least that's

2953
02:04:41,580 --> 02:04:38,650
where he was calling me from and little

2954
02:04:43,890 --> 02:04:41,590
by little his life started to I I don't

2955
02:04:46,229 --> 02:04:43,900
know me I I would say go downhill he

2956
02:04:48,570 --> 02:04:46,239
started to become obsessed with all of

2957
02:04:51,060 --> 02:04:48,580
this well he ended up splitting from his

2958
02:04:53,550 --> 02:04:51,070
wife and his family I guess he lost his

2959
02:04:55,290 --> 02:04:53,560
job that's pretty common once the UFO

2960
02:04:57,870 --> 02:04:55,300
bug you know like infects your body

2961
02:05:00,330 --> 02:04:57,880
there's no hope for a lot of people

2962
02:05:02,129 --> 02:05:00,340
remember the fellow and the character

2963
02:05:04,200 --> 02:05:02,139
played by Richard Dreyfuss and Close

2964
02:05:05,760 --> 02:05:04,210
Encounters where he started making the

2965
02:05:08,250 --> 02:05:05,770
devils tower out of the mashed-potato

2966
02:05:10,080 --> 02:05:08,260
heat that's a very well-known scene in

2967
02:05:12,229 --> 02:05:10,090
the movie well this guy kinda did the

2968
02:05:15,149 --> 02:05:12,239
same thing he was getting messages from

2969
02:05:17,160 --> 02:05:15,159
whoever was responsible for his four

2970
02:05:19,530 --> 02:05:17,170
hours of missing time and they were

2971
02:05:22,439 --> 02:05:19,540
telling him to build or construct

2972
02:05:25,379 --> 02:05:22,449
something so he moved into this trailer

2973
02:05:27,180 --> 02:05:25,389
and the place now I never did go to see

2974
02:05:31,290 --> 02:05:27,190
him but as he described it to me the

2975
02:05:33,990 --> 02:05:31,300
place became a hub of wires and erector

2976
02:05:36,540 --> 02:05:34,000
sets and all kinds of weirdness going on

2977
02:05:38,550 --> 02:05:36,550
over there so this all happened while

2978
02:05:41,100 --> 02:05:38,560
the guy was in the back of Howard's

2979
02:05:43,140 --> 02:05:41,110
property behind his house waiting for

2980
02:05:46,950 --> 02:05:43,150
the aliens to come in perhaps the aliens

2981
02:05:49,109 --> 02:05:46,960
might be did come okay so also I was in

2982
02:05:51,780 --> 02:05:49,119
in contact with other people who had had

2983
02:05:53,310 --> 02:05:51,790
experiences and testified that there

2984
02:05:55,589 --> 02:05:53,320
seemed to be something strange going on

2985
02:05:57,450 --> 02:05:55,599
behind Howard's house in the Apple

2986
02:05:59,370 --> 02:05:57,460
watcher there now if you call remember

2987
02:06:00,750 --> 02:05:59,380
they're in fact in the article for up of

2988
02:06:03,359 --> 02:06:00,760
minds there's some photographs of Howard

2989
02:06:05,430 --> 02:06:03,369
took some of which look suspicious and

2990
02:06:07,950 --> 02:06:05,440
some of which could be authentic again

2991
02:06:10,320 --> 02:06:07,960
it's all you know those were some look

2992
02:06:13,080 --> 02:06:10,330
like paintings to me honestly some look

2993
02:06:15,000 --> 02:06:13,090
like paintings one looks like a painting

2994
02:06:17,669 --> 02:06:15,010
of the spaceship and The Day the Earth

2995
02:06:20,780 --> 02:06:17,679
Stood Still at night and there's some

2996
02:06:23,070 --> 02:06:20,790
lesser ones where it actually shows a B

2997
02:06:25,050 --> 02:06:23,080
materializing there and it's got kind of

2998
02:06:26,870 --> 02:06:25,060
a weird glow it's a shadowy figure with

2999
02:06:29,660 --> 02:06:26,880
a anyway I'm trying to spoke

3000
02:06:31,640 --> 02:06:29,670
on this of course the key being here did

3001
02:06:33,890 --> 02:06:31,650
man drew just make up a lot of stories

3002
02:06:35,930 --> 02:06:33,900
after hang on one thing no I think there

3003
02:06:38,720 --> 02:06:35,940
were some weird experiences going on

3004
02:06:40,820 --> 02:06:38,730
there because there is a lot of records

3005
02:06:42,229 --> 02:06:40,830
as peoples testify talk to Eric Bethel

3006
02:06:44,000 --> 02:06:42,239
sports was now the season actually

3007
02:06:46,879 --> 02:06:44,010
interviewed a lot of the people who had

3008
02:06:49,370 --> 02:06:46,889
visited that Howard's house and seed say

3009
02:06:51,050 --> 02:06:49,380
and they seem like reputable people they

3010
02:06:52,790 --> 02:06:51,060
didn't seem to be making it up in fact

3011
02:06:55,490 --> 02:06:52,800
some of them were police officers so I

3012
02:06:57,919 --> 02:06:55,500
think yes Howard enjoyed the limelight

3013
02:06:59,270 --> 02:06:57,929
you know he spoke for our conventions a

3014
02:07:01,010 --> 02:06:59,280
couple of times and this guy could

3015
02:07:03,439 --> 02:07:01,020
shatter away the one thing that really

3016
02:07:05,689 --> 02:07:03,449
got to be crazy is at the time that I

3017
02:07:08,209 --> 02:07:05,699
met mnsure we had lunch Jim Moseley and

3018
02:07:10,160 --> 02:07:08,219
I in the 60s at a diner on Fifth Avenue

3019
02:07:11,740 --> 02:07:10,170
in New York City manager was starting to

3020
02:07:15,820 --> 02:07:11,750
say you know what maybe the military

3021
02:07:18,500 --> 02:07:15,830
created these faux experiences to

3022
02:07:20,450 --> 02:07:18,510
further their own interest or whatever

3023
02:07:23,330 --> 02:07:20,460
that they didn't happen well I think

3024
02:07:25,490 --> 02:07:23,340
that may be true but now he never really

3025
02:07:28,220 --> 02:07:25,500
a hundred percent said that his

3026
02:07:30,620 --> 02:07:28,230
experiences were not real and we're not

3027
02:07:32,360 --> 02:07:30,630
as interested in nature in fact years

3028
02:07:34,340 --> 02:07:32,370
later he came out of retirement because

3029
02:07:36,050 --> 02:07:34,350
for about ten or fifteen years he never

3030
02:07:38,090 --> 02:07:36,060
said a word about the subject and all of

3031
02:07:39,860 --> 02:07:38,100
a sudden I I called him up one day and I

3032
02:07:42,020 --> 02:07:39,870
said Howard I'm giving a conference I

3033
02:07:43,970 --> 02:07:42,030
think it was in San Diego or Phoenix and

3034
02:07:46,280 --> 02:07:43,980
I'd like to invite you to come and he

3035
02:07:47,959 --> 02:07:46,290
said sure it just pay for my rental car

3036
02:07:51,620 --> 02:07:47,969
and he said you know what I'm gonna do

3037
02:07:53,629 --> 02:07:51,630
I'm going to bring my x1 well he was a

3038
02:07:55,550 --> 02:07:53,639
tinkerer Howard had a workshop behind

3039
02:07:57,709 --> 02:07:55,560
his house and the story goes that he

3040
02:07:59,870 --> 02:07:57,719
built the craft one day based on some

3041
02:08:01,399 --> 02:07:59,880
technology that his buddies from space

3042
02:08:03,770 --> 02:08:01,409
had given him and the thing flew off and

3043
02:08:05,840 --> 02:08:03,780
landed in Pennsylvania and he FBI even

3044
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showed up in store to interview about

3045
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this so anyway he showed up at my

3046
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conference a day late but that he was

3047
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driving from oh I think he was living in

3048
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Florida that by that time he is okay so

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he came to your conference a day late

3050
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and a dollar short

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Timm Beckley telling us about howard

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manager joining you in this UFO

3152
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convention a day late so is that because

3153
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he didn't get to speak as a result no no

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you know why he was because he had hi he

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had rented a little trailer and he had

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and was traveling across the country

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with it so I guess he had a stop a

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couple of times a retired thing to the

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trailer and whatever and maybe didn't

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Beach but he showed up and he gave a

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talk for about two hours with a black

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board and he just went on and on and on

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about the propulsion system in fact

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here's a little unknown a story about

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Howard he claims that he actually drove

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a government built flying saucer in his

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a book that he and his wife Akane who is

3170
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still alive and living in Florida wrote

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called the High Bridge incident he tells

3172
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about this episode I believe in Colorado

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where he was taken to a warehouse or a

3174
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hangar and through telepathic powers he

3175
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was actually able to take this thing out

3176
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for a midnight cruise let's move past

3177
02:14:01,720 --> 02:13:58,910
Howard mentor okay let's move past him

3178
02:14:04,390 --> 02:14:01,730
maybe maybe not I kind of just wanted to

3179
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focus on the possibility that people

3180
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have experiences that embellish them if

3181
02:14:10,479 --> 02:14:08,719
further question from mr. Poulter worst

3182
02:14:12,070 --> 02:14:10,489
he asked us enough questions with enough

3183
02:14:14,410 --> 02:14:12,080
detail to fill the rest of the show I

3184
02:14:16,330 --> 02:14:14,420
just refreshed my memories about your

3185
02:14:18,160 --> 02:14:16,340
first UFO sighting where you described

3186
02:14:20,320 --> 02:14:18,170
something like balls of light under

3187
02:14:22,540 --> 02:14:20,330
intelligent control and then he relates

3188
02:14:24,760 --> 02:14:22,550
this to cases in other parts of the

3189
02:14:26,860 --> 02:14:24,770
world and I guess he wanted further

3190
02:14:28,750 --> 02:14:26,870
comments about what the sent file and

3191
02:14:31,150 --> 02:14:28,760
whether there's any relationship with

3192
02:14:33,520 --> 02:14:31,160
that and poltergeists well I've had

3193
02:14:35,140 --> 02:14:33,530
three sightings the first one which I've

3194
02:14:37,720 --> 02:14:35,150
described many times including on this

3195
02:14:40,570 --> 02:14:37,730
program I think was around the age of 10

3196
02:14:43,350 --> 02:14:40,580
it was a warm summer night and like

3197
02:14:46,750 --> 02:14:43,360
August that would have been like around

3198
02:14:47,979 --> 02:14:46,760
1957 or so and in those days we didn't

3199
02:14:49,450 --> 02:14:47,989
have air conditioning

3200
02:14:51,609 --> 02:14:49,460
so everybody would sit and hunker down

3201
02:14:54,220 --> 02:14:51,619
on the you know on the front porch till

3202
02:14:56,589 --> 02:14:54,230
it got cool enough to go inside now this

3203
02:14:59,020 --> 02:14:56,599
is a 1957 if you remember was a pretty

3204
02:15:01,509 --> 02:14:59,030
heavy hitter year for a flying saucer

3205
02:15:03,250 --> 02:15:01,519
assigning so someone came running up to

3206
02:15:04,479 --> 02:15:03,260
the porch where we were seated and I

3207
02:15:06,910 --> 02:15:04,489
think my mother was there and a couple

3208
02:15:09,189 --> 02:15:06,920
of people from down the block pointed

3209
02:15:11,410 --> 02:15:09,199
out two objects in the sky one was

3210
02:15:13,029 --> 02:15:11,420
hovering over the abandoned factory

3211
02:15:16,209 --> 02:15:13,039
building directly across the street and

3212
02:15:17,950 --> 02:15:16,219
one appeared over the house now I can't

3213
02:15:20,080 --> 02:15:17,960
tell you that I saw a little green man

3214
02:15:24,129 --> 02:15:20,090
nobody waved to me there were no landing

3215
02:15:26,290 --> 02:15:24,139
gear these were brightly lit lights just

3216
02:15:28,209 --> 02:15:26,300
over the cloud bank so you couldn't

3217
02:15:30,459 --> 02:15:28,219
really see a lot of detail they kept

3218
02:15:33,520 --> 02:15:30,469
switching positions in the sky so that

3219
02:15:35,319 --> 02:15:33,530
the one across the way would come in

3220
02:15:36,069 --> 02:15:35,329
from the house and vice-versa where they

3221
02:15:38,109 --> 02:15:36,079
just move around

3222
02:15:40,330 --> 02:15:38,119
okay suddenly the one over the factory

3223
02:15:42,040 --> 02:15:40,340
building disappeared like somebody had

3224
02:15:44,290 --> 02:15:42,050
pulled the light switch the other one

3225
02:15:46,930 --> 02:15:44,300
played around on the sky for a little

3226
02:15:48,879 --> 02:15:46,940
while after that went inside eventually

3227
02:15:50,919 --> 02:15:48,889
next day or following day there was an

3228
02:15:52,330 --> 02:15:50,929
item in the newspaper that other people

3229
02:15:54,399 --> 02:15:52,340
hadn't witnessed this and the

3230
02:15:55,899 --> 02:15:54,409
authorities were saying that it was

3231
02:15:58,450 --> 02:15:55,909
nothing more unconventional than a

3232
02:16:00,189 --> 02:15:58,460
weather balloon well gene and Chris even

3233
02:16:01,870 --> 02:16:00,199
at the age of 10 I knew this was not a

3234
02:16:04,509 --> 02:16:01,880
weather balloon it was something that

3235
02:16:07,359 --> 02:16:04,519
seemed to be under intelligent control

3236
02:16:08,739 --> 02:16:07,369
it wasn't bobbing and weaving in the air

3237
02:16:11,890 --> 02:16:08,749
current or anything like that

3238
02:16:13,629 --> 02:16:11,900
now the only thing over the years that

3239
02:16:15,819 --> 02:16:13,639
I've set here and tried to explain this

3240
02:16:17,919 --> 02:16:15,829
in my own mind because I do try to find

3241
02:16:19,779 --> 02:16:17,929
a rational explanation first before I go

3242
02:16:21,970 --> 02:16:19,789
out on a limb but now you're going out

3243
02:16:23,709 --> 02:16:21,980
on a limb that's of course the precursor

3244
02:16:26,529 --> 02:16:23,719
to that and the only thing that I could

3245
02:16:28,600 --> 02:16:26,539
think of was well they could be searched

3246
02:16:31,870 --> 02:16:28,610
like beacons playing around in an

3247
02:16:34,900 --> 02:16:31,880
overcast sky except that the flight path

3248
02:16:37,089 --> 02:16:34,910
of these lights were so tight that this

3249
02:16:38,679 --> 02:16:37,099
so-called beacon of light or searchlight

3250
02:16:40,870 --> 02:16:38,689
well you would have had to see it be

3251
02:16:42,459 --> 02:16:40,880
hitting me in the clouds because it was

3252
02:16:45,190 --> 02:16:42,469
over the house and over the factory

3253
02:16:47,799 --> 02:16:45,200
building it wasn't making a wide sweep

3254
02:16:51,969 --> 02:16:47,809
so I don't know what this was it was a

3255
02:16:53,650 --> 02:16:51,979
UFO it remains a UFO in my mind I had

3256
02:16:54,910 --> 02:16:53,660
another sighting when I was in

3257
02:16:56,860 --> 02:16:54,920
Warminster England

3258
02:16:58,740 --> 02:16:56,870
I had to publish the book by Arthur

3259
02:17:00,969 --> 02:16:58,750
shuttle whether the course warminster

3260
02:17:01,660 --> 02:17:00,979
there was more UFO sightings in

3261
02:17:03,910 --> 02:17:01,670
Warminster

3262
02:17:06,070 --> 02:17:03,920
anywhere else and the in Europe I

3263
02:17:08,709 --> 02:17:06,080
probably you know all over the world I

3264
02:17:11,500 --> 02:17:08,719
had been invited by the late Earl of

3265
02:17:14,469 --> 02:17:11,510
clan cardi Brinsley Laporte reg to speak

3266
02:17:16,330 --> 02:17:14,479
at this unofficial UFO group that was he

3267
02:17:18,790 --> 02:17:16,340
had organized four members of the House

3268
02:17:20,980 --> 02:17:18,800
of Lords I I believe I was maybe one or

3269
02:17:22,780 --> 02:17:20,990
two Americans that actually was invited

3270
02:17:25,259 --> 02:17:22,790
to speak there and I went to Loch Ness

3271
02:17:28,299 --> 02:17:25,269
on my trip and I went to war Minster

3272
02:17:29,589 --> 02:17:28,309
anyway I was in the in the field near

3273
02:17:31,660 --> 02:17:29,599
Starr Hill where a lot of these

3274
02:17:33,280 --> 02:17:31,670
sightings had taken place I was there

3275
02:17:35,799 --> 02:17:33,290
with shuttle wood and another fella by

3276
02:17:40,480 --> 02:17:35,809
the name of Bob strong he was a retired

3277
02:17:43,150 --> 02:17:40,490
RAF fighter pilot this guy had two huge

3278
02:17:45,360 --> 02:17:43,160
scrap albums full of UFO photographs

3279
02:17:47,890 --> 02:17:45,370
that he and others had taken

3280
02:17:49,390 --> 02:17:47,900
unfortunately people borrowed them and

3281
02:17:51,459 --> 02:17:49,400
little by little to make copies and

3282
02:17:53,379 --> 02:17:51,469
never return them some of these things

3283
02:17:55,570 --> 02:17:53,389
were the weirdest things you ever look

3284
02:17:57,009 --> 02:17:55,580
at there was one particular photo and I

3285
02:17:59,200 --> 02:17:57,019
think I've published this it looked like

3286
02:18:01,780 --> 02:17:59,210
a freight train going across the sky

3287
02:18:04,719 --> 02:18:01,790
another thing that look like a humongous

3288
02:18:06,820 --> 02:18:04,729
back you know with the multiple wings

3289
02:18:08,469 --> 02:18:06,830
and stuff just incredible stuff we're

3290
02:18:09,820 --> 02:18:08,479
not just talking about you know a disc

3291
02:18:11,799 --> 02:18:09,830
or something like that we're talking

3292
02:18:13,690 --> 02:18:11,809
about something really spooky here so

3293
02:18:16,839 --> 02:18:13,700
anyway it's about 11 o'clock at night we

3294
02:18:19,540 --> 02:18:16,849
had seen a few meteorites the you know

3295
02:18:22,209 --> 02:18:19,550
flyby and all of a sudden that the

3296
02:18:24,940 --> 02:18:22,219
Arthur points out this fairly bright

3297
02:18:27,100 --> 02:18:24,950
light high up in the sky now there was

3298
02:18:28,690 --> 02:18:27,110
no lamppost or outdoor lighting anything

3299
02:18:31,270 --> 02:18:28,700
we're in the middle of field pitch dark

3300
02:18:33,040 --> 02:18:31,280
all right so I said well maybe it's the

3301
02:18:35,530 --> 02:18:33,050
planet Venus is certainly not the moon

3302
02:18:36,910 --> 02:18:35,540
and I conveyed that the feeling too to

3303
02:18:39,429 --> 02:18:36,920
show the one and the other people there

3304
02:18:41,049 --> 02:18:39,439
and the artists oh no no no that's

3305
02:18:43,060 --> 02:18:41,059
that's probably one of them and I said

3306
02:18:45,759 --> 02:18:43,070
well how can you tell he said watch this

3307
02:18:47,860 --> 02:18:45,769
so he goes to the back of his car opens

3308
02:18:49,390 --> 02:18:47,870
it up and takes out a large torch light

3309
02:18:50,679 --> 02:18:49,400
I mean this wasn't like a little you

3310
02:18:52,690 --> 02:18:50,689
know plastic flash like there's a big

3311
02:18:54,400 --> 02:18:52,700
torch light yeah powerful batteries and

3312
02:18:56,560 --> 02:18:54,410
all and he starts blinking at this

3313
02:18:57,790 --> 02:18:56,570
object in the sky that was in Morse code

3314
02:18:59,950 --> 02:18:57,800
or anything but a blink-blink-blink

3315
02:19:01,870 --> 02:18:59,960
blink-blink-blink every time he would

3316
02:19:05,020 --> 02:19:01,880
blink at this object and eyewitnesses

3317
02:19:07,150 --> 02:19:05,030
myself this thing would make somersaults

3318
02:19:08,919 --> 02:19:07,160
it would move around like the light were

3319
02:19:11,020 --> 02:19:08,929
on a marionette or you know like a

3320
02:19:12,370 --> 02:19:11,030
puppet string or something like this but

3321
02:19:14,799 --> 02:19:12,380
this is way up in the sky there's no

3322
02:19:15,589 --> 02:19:14,809
puppet master there well maybe there is

3323
02:19:17,120 --> 02:19:15,599
but

3324
02:19:18,620 --> 02:19:17,130
looked at it for about maybe 10 minutes

3325
02:19:21,219 --> 02:19:18,630
and every time he flash Blake Blake

3326
02:19:23,599 --> 02:19:21,229
Blake it seemed to maneuver as if

3327
02:19:25,660 --> 02:19:23,609
acknowledging our presence eventually

3328
02:19:28,820 --> 02:19:25,670
and went behind the the clouds and

3329
02:19:30,439 --> 02:19:28,830
disappeared and it started raining and I

3330
02:19:31,519 --> 02:19:30,449
went back to the hotel and that was it

3331
02:19:33,979 --> 02:19:31,529
you know we talked to enough people

3332
02:19:35,629 --> 02:19:33,989
while I was there for two days there was

3333
02:19:38,389 --> 02:19:35,639
something incredible going on there and

3334
02:19:41,330 --> 02:19:38,399
most of it was of a paranormal nature I

3335
02:19:43,399 --> 02:19:41,340
mean there were beings that would stand

3336
02:19:45,410 --> 02:19:43,409
about seven or eight feet tall they

3337
02:19:48,109 --> 02:19:45,420
would stand up against the the fence

3338
02:19:49,700 --> 02:19:48,119
post it was a closed gate and you could

3339
02:19:52,010 --> 02:19:49,710
see right through them they would be

3340
02:19:54,290 --> 02:19:52,020
heard walking through the the bramble

3341
02:19:57,859 --> 02:19:54,300
and the bushes that could not be seen

3342
02:20:00,410 --> 02:19:57,869
there were all sorts of lights in the in

3343
02:20:02,540 --> 02:20:00,420
the field now one of the most

3344
02:20:04,219 --> 02:20:02,550
fascinating stories gene do you remember

3345
02:20:07,969 --> 02:20:04,229
fella by name of Bryce bond

3346
02:20:09,830 --> 02:20:07,979
Bryce pond was a talk show host well no

3347
02:20:13,460 --> 02:20:09,840
he started out actually he was like I

3348
02:20:15,290 --> 02:20:13,470
think the station was wtff just over the

3349
02:20:18,170 --> 02:20:15,300
border there in Long Island he played

3350
02:20:19,820 --> 02:20:18,180
music like Frank Sinatra a sausage right

3351
02:20:21,800 --> 02:20:19,830
originally he was just a disc jockey

3352
02:20:24,590 --> 02:20:21,810
this job that's correct

3353
02:20:26,450 --> 02:20:24,600
okay and later he was again his life was

3354
02:20:28,790 --> 02:20:26,460
transformed he was pulled the internist

3355
02:20:30,740 --> 02:20:28,800
but he had called me one day he used to

3356
02:20:32,330 --> 02:20:30,750
read meeting notices whatever Jim or I

3357
02:20:34,880 --> 02:20:32,340
were having meetings he would read them

3358
02:20:36,349 --> 02:20:34,890
on the errors of public you know notice

3359
02:20:37,460 --> 02:20:36,359
they didn't have a particular interest

3360
02:20:39,439 --> 02:20:37,470
in the subject or at least we never

3361
02:20:42,260 --> 02:20:39,449
discussed it anyway one day he calls me

3362
02:20:44,689 --> 02:20:42,270
up and he tells me he's going to the UK

3363
02:20:46,250 --> 02:20:44,699
on vacation is there anything that he

3364
02:20:47,929 --> 02:20:46,260
might do to whittle away some of the

3365
02:20:50,479 --> 02:20:47,939
time or that he might find interesting

3366
02:20:52,639 --> 02:20:50,489
well I suggested perhaps he get in touch

3367
02:20:53,240 --> 02:20:52,649
with fellow a journalist I said

3368
02:20:55,340 --> 02:20:53,250
Shuttleworth

3369
02:20:57,979 --> 02:20:55,350
about a month later I hear from Bryson

3370
02:20:59,179 --> 02:20:57,989
he's all excited he's quit his job at

3371
02:21:02,630 --> 02:20:59,189
the radio station

3372
02:21:04,490 --> 02:21:02,640
and he has become a healer and I said

3373
02:21:06,649 --> 02:21:04,500
well what is that all about Bryce well

3374
02:21:09,439 --> 02:21:06,659
it seems that he was at the star Hill

3375
02:21:11,179 --> 02:21:09,449
about the same area where I was he sees

3376
02:21:13,670 --> 02:21:11,189
a light off in the distance and decides

3377
02:21:16,099 --> 02:21:13,680
to climb over the fence well nobody else

3378
02:21:17,840 --> 02:21:16,109
that follows him he goes out and maybe a

3379
02:21:20,780 --> 02:21:17,850
quarter of a mile an eighth of a mile by

3380
02:21:22,639 --> 02:21:20,790
himself he claims that he becomes one

3381
02:21:25,309 --> 02:21:22,649
with the object he's actually teleported

3382
02:21:29,030 --> 02:21:25,319
emerged with the object inside of the

3383
02:21:31,540 --> 02:21:29,040
craft are humans in

3384
02:21:35,990 --> 02:21:31,550
what they call the Nordics cubed looking

3385
02:21:37,520 --> 02:21:36,000
aliens they talk to him for a while give

3386
02:21:39,890 --> 02:21:37,530
him a message of peace and enlightenment

3387
02:21:42,410 --> 02:21:39,900
tell him to go back and devote his life

3388
02:21:42,830 --> 02:21:42,420
to you know a healing and so forth and

3389
02:21:45,800 --> 02:21:42,840
so on

3390
02:21:49,130 --> 02:21:45,810
and that's exactly what he did so I

3391
02:21:54,200 --> 02:21:49,140
don't know he put down his Frank Sinatra

3392
02:21:55,850 --> 02:21:54,210
45s and took up the UFO fellowship the

3393
02:21:57,470 --> 02:21:55,860
movement of these space brothers or

3394
02:21:59,060 --> 02:21:57,480
something I don't know I mean I didn't

3395
02:22:00,200 --> 02:21:59,070
know Bryce well enough ahead of time to

3396
02:22:02,900 --> 02:22:00,210
know if that's something that he would

3397
02:22:04,460 --> 02:22:02,910
do or not because he didn't seem to be a

3398
02:22:07,460 --> 02:22:04,470
ufologist earn that much into the

3399
02:22:09,380 --> 02:22:07,470
subject he was a disc jockey I'll tell

3400
02:22:14,030 --> 02:22:09,390
you what some of us are former disc

3401
02:22:16,040 --> 02:22:14,040
jockeys and that's another life we have

3402
02:22:19,880 --> 02:22:16,050
Tim Beckley with Gene and Kris you're in

3403
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3512
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3513
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smear and I'm here to say a good word or

3514
02:26:49,760 --> 02:26:46,950
two about the para cast which I believe

3515
02:26:57,290 --> 02:26:49,770
is the gold standard of paranormal radio

3516
02:26:59,660 --> 02:26:57,300
listen to it if you can with gene and

3517
02:27:02,990 --> 02:26:59,670
Chris we have the irrepressible Tim

3518
02:27:04,460 --> 02:27:03,000
Beckley mr. UFO on the Varrick ask Chris

3519
02:27:06,440 --> 02:27:04,470
you want to follow up with some of these

3520
02:27:07,670 --> 02:27:06,450
issues in our final segment you guys are

3521
02:27:11,150 --> 02:27:07,680
just fascinated me with these

3522
02:27:12,740 --> 02:27:11,160
interesting accounts and stories and you

3523
02:27:15,500 --> 02:27:12,750
know I think it's important that all

3524
02:27:17,270 --> 02:27:15,510
these types of events and and colorful

3525
02:27:18,950 --> 02:27:17,280
individuals have been documented over

3526
02:27:20,960 --> 02:27:18,960
the years and I think it's really

3527
02:27:22,940 --> 02:27:20,970
important for our listeners especially

3528
02:27:25,580 --> 02:27:22,950
the younger listeners to to read these

3529
02:27:27,679 --> 02:27:25,590
books and and do the research and become

3530
02:27:29,870 --> 02:27:27,689
familiar with the wonderful kaleidoscope

3531
02:27:32,450 --> 02:27:29,880
of the history that these types of

3532
02:27:34,130 --> 02:27:32,460
phenomenon you know have have presented

3533
02:27:36,200 --> 02:27:34,140
us that have been captured in all the

3534
02:27:38,240 --> 02:27:36,210
books that Tim's written and of course

3535
02:27:39,860 --> 02:27:38,250
no family's family not only that I've

3536
02:27:41,929 --> 02:27:39,870
written but I've begun to bring out a

3537
02:27:43,700 --> 02:27:41,939
series of what I call flying saucer

3538
02:27:45,500 --> 02:27:43,710
classics I've taken a lot of these books

3539
02:27:47,420 --> 02:27:45,510
that are in public domain or never

3540
02:27:49,130 --> 02:27:47,430
copyrighted or the altars of dead 50

3541
02:27:51,560 --> 02:27:49,140
years or something like that right and

3542
02:27:53,600 --> 02:27:51,570
put them together to classic books into

3543
02:27:55,910 --> 02:27:53,610
one not so much because I believe you

3544
02:27:57,830 --> 02:27:55,920
know people say oh you believe in all

3545
02:28:00,380 --> 02:27:57,840
this well I won't say the word that I'm

3546
02:28:02,030 --> 02:28:00,390
thanking and no it doesn't it doesn't

3547
02:28:03,860 --> 02:28:02,040
matter what I always tell people they

3548
02:28:05,360 --> 02:28:03,870
ask me what is my opinion on the subject

3549
02:28:06,920 --> 02:28:05,370
you know what I tell them it doesn't

3550
02:28:09,560 --> 02:28:06,930
matter what my opinion is

3551
02:28:12,440 --> 02:28:09,570
UFOs act independently not only of my

3552
02:28:14,120 --> 02:28:12,450
thinking but anybody else's right I

3553
02:28:15,620 --> 02:28:14,130
believe that this this material should

3554
02:28:17,540 --> 02:28:15,630
be preserved

3555
02:28:19,910 --> 02:28:17,550
most of these publications had a very

3556
02:28:22,100 --> 02:28:19,920
small circulation these books that small

3557
02:28:24,340 --> 02:28:22,110
circulations to begin with and now they

3558
02:28:26,540 --> 02:28:24,350
probably have much even the smaller

3559
02:28:29,360 --> 02:28:26,550
circulations because of course this is a

3560
02:28:31,040 --> 02:28:29,370
limited field here as far as the book

3561
02:28:33,170 --> 02:28:31,050
selling there goes you know people think

3562
02:28:35,330 --> 02:28:33,180
oh you get enriched by publishing UFO

3563
02:28:36,950 --> 02:28:35,340
books well you know over over 50 years

3564
02:28:38,960 --> 02:28:36,960
how many books have actually become

3565
02:28:40,820 --> 02:28:38,970
bestsellers in the field you could count

3566
02:28:42,830 --> 02:28:40,830
them on your Martian hand you know I

3567
02:28:44,660 --> 02:28:42,840
mean it's it's like flying

3568
02:28:46,850 --> 02:28:44,670
I think the best-selling book on the

3569
02:28:48,700 --> 02:28:46,860
subject is supposedly a flying saucer

3570
02:28:51,230 --> 02:28:48,710
serious business by Frank Edwards

3571
02:28:52,490 --> 02:28:51,240
comunion maybe came close but Hopkins

3572
02:28:54,560 --> 02:28:52,500
had a book

3573
02:28:57,050 --> 02:28:54,570
on the bestseller list for a couple of

3574
02:28:58,370 --> 02:28:57,060
weeks and John keels made it I think up

3575
02:29:01,160 --> 02:28:58,380
to number three or something like that

3576
02:29:03,230 --> 02:29:01,170
Mothman Prophecies Leslie can certainly

3577
02:29:04,910 --> 02:29:03,240
has with her UFO book she did very well

3578
02:29:08,420 --> 02:29:04,920
yes

3579
02:29:10,220 --> 02:29:08,430
yeah yeah okay but yeah so but there

3580
02:29:12,260 --> 02:29:10,230
have been you certainly don't get into

3581
02:29:14,270 --> 02:29:12,270
the UFO field thinking that you're gonna

3582
02:29:15,830 --> 02:29:14,280
make any real kind of money you know and

3583
02:29:17,300 --> 02:29:15,840
that people were pointed to contact

3584
02:29:19,280 --> 02:29:17,310
these and say oh they're just said it

3585
02:29:21,800 --> 02:29:19,290
for the bucks no money to be made there

3586
02:29:23,900 --> 02:29:21,810
we go from town to town and they they

3587
02:29:26,500 --> 02:29:23,910
would you know like sleep at night in

3588
02:29:29,090 --> 02:29:26,510
somebody's a you know apartment or to

3589
02:29:30,530 --> 02:29:29,100
Dan fry who of course the claim that he

3590
02:29:31,730 --> 02:29:30,540
was an engineer and worked at White

3591
02:29:34,130 --> 02:29:31,740
Sands proving ground

3592
02:29:36,950 --> 02:29:34,140
he took a greyhound I remember one time

3593
02:29:38,630 --> 02:29:36,960
I I was on the he took the Greyhound

3594
02:29:42,080 --> 02:29:38,640
wherever reflect you know I remember I

3595
02:29:44,150 --> 02:29:42,090
was on a program that Professor GC

3596
02:29:46,820 --> 02:29:44,160
shellhorn put together and some smoke

3597
02:29:49,460 --> 02:29:46,830
Madison Wisconsin I think it was it was

3598
02:29:51,410 --> 02:29:49,470
on a snowy day there were more people on

3599
02:29:53,540 --> 02:29:51,420
stage than in the audience and Dan

3600
02:29:56,750 --> 02:29:53,550
showed up through the you know the the

3601
02:29:59,150 --> 02:29:56,760
mini blizzard to give his his a talking

3602
02:30:02,360 --> 02:29:59,160
in arrived in town after three days on

3603
02:30:05,300 --> 02:30:02,370
the road on a Trailways bus or something

3604
02:30:07,490 --> 02:30:05,310
you know so the money to be made now may

3605
02:30:10,040 --> 02:30:07,500
be enough to put dinner on the the table

3606
02:30:12,080 --> 02:30:10,050
or something you know and even George

3607
02:30:14,960 --> 02:30:12,090
Van Tassel people say oh he collected

3608
02:30:17,030 --> 02:30:14,970
that money for the the integra tron you

3609
02:30:18,320 --> 02:30:17,040
know well I don't think he put any of it

3610
02:30:20,150 --> 02:30:18,330
in his pocket because I've been out this

3611
02:30:21,560 --> 02:30:20,160
tube this is the family you know the

3612
02:30:23,390 --> 02:30:21,570
family doesn't have permission to get

3613
02:30:25,850 --> 02:30:23,400
into the integra time but they live in

3614
02:30:28,160 --> 02:30:25,860
trailers right behind it the grandson is

3615
02:30:29,870 --> 02:30:28,170
long really yeah yeah yeah and I

3616
02:30:31,940 --> 02:30:29,880
presented them with a little Ward you

3617
02:30:34,970 --> 02:30:31,950
know I had a big conference one time in

3618
02:30:36,560 --> 02:30:34,980
Palm Springs and a lovely hotel the

3619
02:30:38,570 --> 02:30:36,570
hotel gave me all the facilities for

3620
02:30:40,700 --> 02:30:38,580
free because it was the middle of August

3621
02:30:42,110 --> 02:30:40,710
well that might explain why we hadn't

3622
02:30:44,540 --> 02:30:42,120
less than 100 people there because it

3623
02:30:46,880 --> 02:30:44,550
was so hot but the the it was it was a

3624
02:30:49,670 --> 02:30:46,890
great show in fact our keynote speaker

3625
02:30:52,190 --> 02:30:49,680
was Robert Weiss The Day the Earth Stood

3626
02:30:52,730 --> 02:30:52,200
Still I seated him right next to Kenneth

3627
02:30:56,570 --> 02:30:52,740
Anger

3628
02:30:57,970 --> 02:30:56,580
if you know who he who is who came to

3629
02:31:00,680 --> 02:30:57,980
the conference by very strange

3630
02:31:02,420 --> 02:31:00,690
circumstances and I only knew who he

3631
02:31:04,550 --> 02:31:02,430
wasn't recognizing because he had left

3632
02:31:05,900 --> 02:31:04,560
behind a stack of mail that he had just

3633
02:31:06,261 --> 02:31:05,910
gotten from the post office in one of

3634
02:31:09,381 --> 02:31:06,271
the

3635
02:31:11,060 --> 02:31:09,391
hall and I said Kenneth are you coming

3636
02:31:12,290 --> 02:31:11,070
to the show and he said I really can't

3637
02:31:14,270 --> 02:31:12,300
afford to it I said well I want you to

3638
02:31:15,770 --> 02:31:14,280
be my guest so I seated Robert wises

3639
02:31:17,631 --> 02:31:15,780
from the maverick filmmaker

3640
02:31:19,511 --> 02:31:17,641
Kenneth Anger next to each other and

3641
02:31:22,910 --> 02:31:19,521
introduced them at the news conference

3642
02:31:25,341 --> 02:31:22,920
no money no money to be made in UFOs

3643
02:31:27,560 --> 02:31:25,351
maybe the notoriety I mean some people

3644
02:31:29,990 --> 02:31:27,570
do it because they can get a little bit

3645
02:31:32,030 --> 02:31:30,000
of attention but you know to me it's

3646
02:31:34,100 --> 02:31:32,040
like if you go to a party right gene and

3647
02:31:37,310 --> 02:31:34,110
we've all been to parties and some

3648
02:31:38,660 --> 02:31:37,320
people see yourself okay well some

3649
02:31:40,310 --> 02:31:38,670
people will stand around the room with

3650
02:31:42,080 --> 02:31:40,320
the proverbial lampshade on there on

3651
02:31:43,881 --> 02:31:42,090
their head right while other people will

3652
02:31:46,070 --> 02:31:43,891
sulk off into the corner and not talk to

3653
02:31:47,720 --> 02:31:46,080
anybody and leave early or something and

3654
02:31:50,480 --> 02:31:47,730
I think it's the same way with the UFOs

3655
02:31:53,180 --> 02:31:50,490
and UFO contactees some people just tend

3656
02:31:55,220 --> 02:31:53,190
to be more vocal and you know outlandish

3657
02:31:57,680 --> 02:31:55,230
and outstanding and other people may

3658
02:31:58,940 --> 02:31:57,690
have had the same or more dramatic

3659
02:32:01,341 --> 02:31:58,950
experiences and they're not going to

3660
02:32:06,290 --> 02:32:01,351
talk about it so that's that's my take

3661
02:32:08,240 --> 02:32:06,300
on that actual hoaxes uh yeah but

3662
02:32:11,030 --> 02:32:08,250
according to the the bunkers that's or

3663
02:32:12,980 --> 02:32:11,040
they're all hoaxes so you know it's

3664
02:32:14,930 --> 02:32:12,990
inconsequential and a hoax to sell

3665
02:32:19,131 --> 02:32:14,940
really the biggest hoax going is that

3666
02:32:20,750 --> 02:32:19,141
guy in Switzerland don't say that too

3667
02:32:23,841 --> 02:32:20,760
loud Michael horn might hear you

3668
02:32:25,850 --> 02:32:23,851
Wow Michael horn can take the photos and

3669
02:32:28,580 --> 02:32:25,860
shred them because they they are the bit

3670
02:32:31,850 --> 02:32:28,590
being in the movies and having taken

3671
02:32:37,820 --> 02:32:31,860
photos for years that's the biggest load

3672
02:32:41,180 --> 02:32:37,830
of UFO non-food material yeah yes yes

3673
02:32:42,830 --> 02:32:41,190
ridiculous ridiculous and again a fellow

3674
02:32:44,870 --> 02:32:42,840
who insists that he's the only one that

3675
02:32:46,370 --> 02:32:44,880
has contact why would they contact him

3676
02:32:48,140 --> 02:32:46,380
in the middle of nowhere

3677
02:32:49,881 --> 02:32:48,150
he's got a cult oh he wants to come

3678
02:32:52,040 --> 02:32:49,891
people help them harvest his little

3679
02:32:53,690 --> 02:32:52,050
garden back there and and well you know

3680
02:32:55,341 --> 02:32:53,700
I think we might have the makings gene

3681
02:32:57,470 --> 02:32:55,351
of a good debate here we could do a

3682
02:33:01,220 --> 02:32:57,480
debate with Jim Michael one that would

3683
02:33:03,680 --> 02:33:01,230
be why waste two hours of my precious

3684
02:33:07,580 --> 02:33:03,690
time I'll tell you what we did have a

3685
02:33:10,040 --> 02:33:07,590
debate with Michael horn and the former

3686
02:33:13,370 --> 02:33:10,050
co-host and the power cast this goes

3687
02:33:15,650 --> 02:33:13,380
back to something like 2006 and we got

3688
02:33:19,390 --> 02:33:15,660
loads of emails because all the

3689
02:33:22,180 --> 02:33:19,400
supporters of the Emerson

3690
02:33:25,180 --> 02:33:22,190
all the supporters of He Who Shall Not

3691
02:33:29,110 --> 02:33:25,190
Be Named yes which is what we referred

3692
02:33:31,720 --> 02:33:29,120
them to came aboard and they just posted

3693
02:33:34,020 --> 02:33:31,730
message after message and finally it got

3694
02:33:36,791 --> 02:33:34,030
to be so crazy we just put a stop to it

3695
02:33:38,890 --> 02:33:36,801
because it was a matter of filibustering

3696
02:33:41,381 --> 02:33:38,900
you know this was the filibuster method

3697
02:33:43,240 --> 02:33:41,391
of debate where you'd ask a person a

3698
02:33:44,801 --> 02:33:43,250
question and they would spend about

3699
02:33:46,001 --> 02:33:44,811
three weeks answering it so you could

3700
02:33:47,890 --> 02:33:46,011
never figure out what they were talking

3701
02:33:53,230 --> 02:33:47,900
about at that point you lost them a long

3702
02:33:55,480 --> 02:33:53,240
time ago to me that that's a UFO it just

3703
02:33:57,371 --> 02:33:55,490
it just clutters the the mill you know I

3704
02:33:59,711 --> 02:33:57,381
mean it's just this is not even worth

3705
02:34:03,131 --> 02:33:59,721
paying attention to it and I'm sure I

3706
02:34:04,871 --> 02:34:03,141
will get lots of emails now to see some

3707
02:34:06,671 --> 02:34:04,881
things this but actually a good friend

3708
02:34:08,650 --> 02:34:06,681
of mine is Wendell Stevens a daughter

3709
02:34:11,381 --> 02:34:08,660
now Wendell course wrote the first book

3710
02:34:13,390 --> 02:34:11,391
on that the infamous contact me there

3711
02:34:16,631 --> 02:34:13,400
and Wendell had some great stories and I

3712
02:34:18,461 --> 02:34:16,641
know Wendell fairly well and his

3713
02:34:20,890 --> 02:34:18,471
daughter Cece is to take it over

3714
02:34:23,410 --> 02:34:20,900
publishing some of his books and just

3715
02:34:25,720 --> 02:34:23,420
like I said we're trying little by

3716
02:34:28,211 --> 02:34:25,730
little to put them all up on Kindle and

3717
02:34:30,881 --> 02:34:28,221
in and so forth and let's save the day

3718
02:34:32,770 --> 02:34:30,891
if it wasn't for you know Kendall we

3719
02:34:34,180 --> 02:34:32,780
would be selling half as many books as

3720
02:34:36,131 --> 02:34:34,190
we used to in other words we're still

3721
02:34:37,841 --> 02:34:36,141
we're still in there and anybody who

3722
02:34:41,200 --> 02:34:37,851
wants that free newsletter and a free

3723
02:34:44,350 --> 02:34:41,210
DVD it just send me an email or go to

3724
02:34:46,390 --> 02:34:44,360
the website conspiracy gentle calm yeah

3725
02:34:49,240 --> 02:34:46,400
so Tim Beckley since you raised the

3726
02:34:51,551 --> 02:34:49,250
issue and we're happy to give you the

3727
02:34:52,301 --> 02:34:51,561
chance how can our listeners reach you

3728
02:34:56,680 --> 02:34:52,311
by email

3729
02:34:59,890 --> 02:34:56,690
well my email address is mr. UFO eight

3730
02:35:02,581 --> 02:34:59,900
that's M our UFO and number eight it's

3731
02:35:04,720 --> 02:35:02,591
hotmail.com and send me an email

3732
02:35:06,041 --> 02:35:04,730
you either like what I have to say you

3733
02:35:07,810 --> 02:35:06,051
no one else will put you out on mailing

3734
02:35:09,940 --> 02:35:07,820
list we put out the conspiracy journal

3735
02:35:12,100 --> 02:35:09,950
it got loads of books I think we got two

3736
02:35:16,091 --> 02:35:12,110
hundred and twenty nine books if you go

3737
02:35:17,501 --> 02:35:16,101
to amazon.com and type in my name I put

3738
02:35:18,610 --> 02:35:17,511
myself down this editor of the books

3739
02:35:19,900 --> 02:35:18,620
even if I haven't written and it's

3740
02:35:21,881 --> 02:35:19,910
almost everything that's my trick for

3741
02:35:23,711 --> 02:35:21,891
almost everything they're showing up and

3742
02:35:26,291 --> 02:35:23,721
I want to ask you something though here

3743
02:35:29,719 --> 02:35:26,301
yeah mr. UFO eight does that mean

3744
02:35:32,870 --> 02:35:29,729
there's a mr. UFO seven a six a five

3745
02:35:34,760 --> 02:35:32,880
yes there's certainly mr. UFO one and

3746
02:35:38,420 --> 02:35:34,770
two and I don't know who who they are

3747
02:35:41,000 --> 02:35:38,430
but yeah originally I did try to you

3748
02:35:42,880 --> 02:35:41,010
know to get that as the email address

3749
02:35:45,050 --> 02:35:42,890
but it was taken already okay and

3750
02:35:47,120 --> 02:35:45,060
without the numbers you couldn't get

3751
02:35:49,420 --> 02:35:47,130
well you know we had a UFO a store

3752
02:35:52,819 --> 02:35:49,430
around the corner it was like a

3753
02:35:55,040 --> 02:35:52,829
furniture outlet something you know and

3754
02:35:56,989 --> 02:35:55,050
the guy had a big flying saucer you know

3755
02:36:00,170 --> 02:35:56,999
on it there there you go there you go

3756
02:36:02,059 --> 02:36:00,180
yeah okay Tim Beckley we really

3757
02:36:03,679 --> 02:36:02,069
appreciate your presence because you

3758
02:36:06,080 --> 02:36:03,689
always have lots of fun stories

3759
02:36:10,639 --> 02:36:06,090
yes Oh Brian happy holiday to everybody

3760
02:36:12,800 --> 02:36:10,649
this is our listeners okay Chris where

3761
02:36:15,739 --> 02:36:12,810
do we find more of your stuff well I am

3762
02:36:19,010 --> 02:36:15,749
a moderator at forum dr parra capcom and

3763
02:36:22,370 --> 02:36:19,020
i have a website that's uh you know

3764
02:36:24,469 --> 02:36:22,380
getting ready to you at some month get

3765
02:36:27,290 --> 02:36:24,479
converted over to a wordpress version

3766
02:36:29,029 --> 02:36:27,300
and that's our strange planet calm the

3767
02:36:30,889 --> 02:36:29,039
person who's doing it has been involved

3768
02:36:33,170 --> 02:36:30,899
in starting a new business so it will

3769
02:36:35,120 --> 02:36:33,180
happen Chris it will happen from Gina

3770
02:36:55,269 --> 02:36:35,130
and Chris attempt Ecklie thank you for

3771
02:37:01,700 --> 02:36:58,790
the para cast featuring gene Steinberg

3772
02:37:04,690 --> 02:37:01,710
and Christopher O'Brien is a copyrighted

3773
02:37:08,630 --> 02:37:04,700
presentation of making the impossible